Theory Crafting + Build Compendium

FatePGN · July 24, 2015, 7:03pm

Now tree of savior may not be out for the international community, but it has undergone 2 CBT’s in Korea.

In that time, ToSBase was able to use the data Nexon+IMC presented to make a nice skill simulator [Note that as of now, this data goes up to rank 6, and is subject to change between now and future beta’s/release]

You can find it here:

With that said, it’s time for some theory crafting!

Go ahead and save your own builds and post them here, and explain why you think it’s good or great, what you can do with it, things others may not have thought of, etc! I’ll make a compendium of builds in the OP as we go along. As the game progresses with new ranks, so to will the compendium grow!

Make sure to post a link to your skill build, and give your build a title to add to the compendium

What are your builds?

[size=30][b][i]Build of the week![/i][/b][/size]

[i]Currently these are chosen at random[/i]

Undertaker - Mugen

Short notes: A very unique PvP build, based on taking tons of damage, and then reflecting it all back!

[size=30][b][i]Popular builds[/i][/b][/size]

[i]You must create a full guide thread in the class and rank category and notify me, I'll add it in and rank it by how successful it is. This is for the future. It will be categorized under a few things such as, how many players visit the guide, and use it. How effective it is in different situations. It's originality and flexibility will also be considered. Please remember to make your thread as detailed as possible. [b]Posts in this topic will not be considered, you must make a separate and detailed thread/guide of your own. [/b][/i].

[size=30][u][b]Compendium of builds[/b][/u][/size]

[size=20]Swordsman[/size]
Offensive Mob Swordsman - Erokhi
Full Retarded DPS Doppelsoldner - Sonyqt
Full Tank Frontliner Centurion - Sonyqt
DPS Squire combo - Sonyqt
Army Breaker Cataphract - Sharp
Spear Squire - Sharp
Captain America - Sharp
The Captain - Sharp
Tank - Katumon
Berserker - Kiyoshiro
Barbarian/Doppelsoldner - Tsugumi
Spartans - Garnett
Do it yourself Highlander - Mindmaker
Ride or Die - Saihen

[size=20]Archer[/size]
Trap Master Sapper - Fletcher - Erokhi
Maximized Schwarzereiter - Lorciferica
Thief-ish - Loriciferica
Full Retarded DPS Schwarze Reiter - Sonyqt
Kiting Machine - Lorciferica
Nuke Falconer - Sharp
The Trapper - Sharp
Sneaky Bastard - Sharp
Death Adder - Sharp
Archer Full Mobility - Katumon
Archer Falcon/Pet - Katumon
Stayed Archer - Katumon
Built-In Archer - Katumon
Team Oriented Fletcher - BurningHaze

[size=20]Wizard[/size]

Chronomancer/Psycokino - Yourtime
Wizard/Chronomancer - Tsugumi
Battle Chronomancer - Yourtime
Pyro-Sorcerer - Sharp
Best Friend Wiz - Sharp
Necrophiliac Psycopath - Sharp
CryNomancer - Sharp
Thaumaturge Focus - Pururu
Team Oriented Elementalist - BurningHaze
Pyrokinesis - Kiyoshiro
Active Mayhem - Kiyoshiro
Frrreezzing - Kiyoshiro
Gem linker - cheddargt
Crowd Control Chronlinker - Grillo
The Psycho Surgeon - Celov
Solo AoE Wizard - MindMaker
Hulk Wizard - Saber
Druid - Saber

[size=20]Cleric[/size]
Support Undead Oracle - FatePGN
Mister-nobody-can-spell-him (Dievdirbys) - NoElement
Buff Slave Oracle - Sonyqt
Wood Paladin - Sharp
Astral Monk - Sharp
Zombie Salesman - Sharp
Girflriend - Sharp
Divine Might Monk - DOTVu
The Carver - DOTvu
The Jinx - Celov
Merchantile Paladin - Kiyoshiro
Merchantile Priest - Kiyoshiro
Reflect + Statue Monk - FatePGN
Enlightened Billionaire - FatePGN
Undertaker - Mugen
Healing Battery - Pururu
Bokor/Oracle - Chebus

Cliff · June 28, 2015, 9:14am

I was hoping someone starts a topic like this, so let’s go guys.

FatePGN · June 28, 2015, 9:23am

Yeah I was hoping someone would start a discussion about it, so I thought I might as well start one!

Time to experiment with it all everyone! Let the theorycrafting begin

Erokhi · June 28, 2015, 11:06am

This is the most common offensive 2 hand sword build :
Sworsdman - Swordsman or Highlander - Barbarian - Barbarian - Barbarian - Doppelsoldner

Build link : http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/vr37t43kx5/
Explanation : This is a build with great PvE potential at early game, great PvP potential at late game.
I take Thrust, Bash, Concentrate for Swordsman skills. Standard. I don’t want to take Gung Ho as it will decrease your defense.

I take Wagon Wheel (AoE skill), Cartar Stroke (AoE skill), Crown (fight against magic users) for Highlander.

As for Barbarian, Frenzy is a MUST (It’s one of the best skills in the game), Embowel (basic Barbarian’s offensive skill) and Agressor (increase accuracy but decrease critical evasion) aren’t that important but at least more important than Savagery IMO. Warcry (decrease enemies defense around you) and Stomping Kick (AoE attack) are basically a combo for fast mob.

For Doppelsoldner, Deeds of Valor, Double Pay Earn, and Mordschlag are my choices. Deeds of Valor and Double Pay Earn are basically what makes Doppelsoldner amazing. You don’t really have to take Cyclone as you already have Stomping Kick from Barbarian (Stomping Kick also has shorter cooldowns). Mordshlag is optional, you can change it with Punish if you want to. I choose it just because it has shorter cooldowns and less SP usage.

FatePGN · June 28, 2015, 9:22am

@Erokhi Gimme a link to a skill build and I’ll add it to the compendium!

Also that class selection was one I’ve seen come up a lot in terms of being very offensive especially with all those buffs!

Erokhi · June 28, 2015, 9:50am

I have updated my post, I call it Offensive Mob Swordsman. It’s really great for fast grinding. As for PvP potential, it’ll depend on which class are you going to take in higher rank.

Yourtime · June 28, 2015, 10:09am

actually I wanted to wait till its out and experiement myself to explore all by myself, having more fun with it, but on the other side i know how the competitive scene is and you just can’t sit and wait for it. will also try something out.

Erokhi · June 28, 2015, 10:52am

Trap Master Sapper-Fletcher build :
Archer - Archer - Sapper - Sapper - Fletcher - Fletcher

Build link : http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/nz6lspbyze/
Explanation : This is for players who love tactical fights in PvP and PvE.
For archer skills, I take Swift Step because it’s a must for every archer users, Full Draw because of its short cooldown and “stucking” effect, Kneeling Shot because of its damage increase and range (no cooldown).

For sapper, I focus on Punji Stake for its short cooldown and useful knockback effect (I prefer this rather than Claymore because Claymore just deals damage and has more cooldowns to prepare another one), Cover for hiding the traps (a must have for PvP/GvG. you don’t want enemies to see your traps easily right?), Detonate Trap for fast trap activation + deals damage (You must be annoyed if someone gets near your trap but it doesn’t activate).

For fletcher, Broad Head will be your favourite skill, Bodkin point is only level 1 because the purpose of this skill is only to decrease your enemies defense (the defense penalty do not increase in higher level, so it’s a waste), Barbed Arrow level 9 for 1v1 fight, Cross Fire for mob potential and it also has cool animation lol.

Yourtime · June 28, 2015, 11:16am

Chronomancer - Psycokino build:
wizard - wizard - psycokino - psycokino - chronomancer - chronomancer

Build link: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/5icbc7uyc5/
Explanation: this build is some how a mix out of damage dealer and support, in the early game you are playing normal wizard while in the second tier of wizard you are starting to skill up a skill that you are not able to get canceled while you cast, important for psycokino and later on. with Psychich Pressure you are making your main damage + Magnetic Force later in the mid game, with some small support skills like teleport , swap and telekinese, to keep the mob in the spot. later on in the late game with chronomancer you are using support skills for your party like haste stop (dont know how useful it will be) and slow , but also very damage skills like Samsara, which i hope works good with the wizard skills.

after all the build should give the player more control of the situation and also be able to flee if it get too dangerous. man i have the feeling i have no idea anymore how to make a character build, so long no mmorpg played.

note: I dont know any stats, i dont know which skill sucks and which is actually, so i just pretend every skill is quite useful.

as i love things with time, i guess i will make more mage builds, lol

Loriciferica · June 28, 2015, 11:22am

Looked through the swordsman tree and it looked pretty straightforward.

Took a look at the archer tree…man I have no idea what to choose!

It looks like there are some difficult choices to be made skill wise for archers. Without more numbers though can’t really be sure which options are better.

Archer - Archer - Archer - Scout - Rogue - Schwarze Reiter

Archer 3 times for Swift Step 15
Scout for cloaking (fun!)
Rogue for vendetta (more damage) and sneak hit (for more crit!)
SR so you have a gun, how cool is that?
Limacon says “while mounted” but since we didn’t take a mounted class I’m not sure what the character’s interaction with that skill would be.

Originally I thought Archer - Ranger - Ranger would be better for the Critical Shot, but it appears thats locked to two handed bow stance! That messed up my plans for a few builds that wanted to maximize Schwarze Reiter damage.

Here’s a “thief” ish idea:

Archer - QS - QS - Scout - Rogue - Rogue

QS QS: Get Caltrops 10, Stone picking 10, Stone shot 10
Scout, get cloaking
R5 rogue get sneak, feint, and vendetta
R6 rogue you have a few choices. Could go Sneak Feint Evasion for dueling. Or Sneak Burrow Backstab for a little more excitement. Quite a few options here.

An alternate build could also go Ranger twice instead of Quarrel Shooter, to get Steady Aim (which I hope isn’t locked to bows, it doesn’t say anything about that yet)

Erokhi · June 28, 2015, 11:23am

IMO, most skills are useful, but that depends on how you want to play your character and how much impact those skills give.

NoElement · June 28, 2015, 5:58pm

Personally, i will go all out with mister-nobody-can-spell-him (Dievdirbys)… and make a carving master.
How? Why of course, i use the druids Chortasmata skill to make all monsters plant-type. And since everyone will take the cooldown reducing statue, i will take the sp reducing statue. And since it is a beta test, i will take some skills that no one else takes, like the owl statue.

EDIT: To make it more clear, you use druid to turn enemys into plant type monsters, then use carve to deal extra damage. Of course, it also means that you can get materials for statues from any monster ! The varity in statues is mostly so that (if) multiple statues don’t stack, there are other options.

EDIT3: Apperantly, Austras Koks is effective against bosses! Thanks to @vegax87 . Of course, changing the build towards the circumstances is always a good idea.

EDIT 2: As suggested by @Erokhi , some statistics:

Popularity : - has yet to be seen -
PvP Effectiveness : Since it’s support, and quite a few skills can be interrupted easily… 2/5. Solo, anyway. (Can players be turned into plant-type?)
PvE Effectiveness : Mostly support, but the carve + turn monsters into plants combo might be powerful enough for single play… 4/5 ? In a team it will be 4/5+, probably.
Flexibility : While Druid is going to need plants around to use some abilitys, the turn enemys into plants makes the carve usefull anywhere. There is also the owl statue for sheer attack, his effectivness must be proven however. Other then that, mostly support, so 3/5 - 4/5.
Originality : So far, only a few even think of this class, since everyone apperantly wants to use sword or time magic ! 4/5

Sonyqt · June 28, 2015, 1:23pm

So, this is a hole party setup i’ve made all focused on dishing out strong mobs and bosses, and leveling effective as party, here we have:
A full retarded DPS Doppelsoldner: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/5jbwzslbqa/
A full tank frontliner Centurion: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/htd8ixynwr/
Another full retarded DPS Schwarze Reiter: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/7qpqsa5gcm/
A dps with the utility skills of a Squire: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/o0dqufm5uc/
A slave Oracle focused on buffs: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/oo356hgeq5/

A few notes about it:
The squire build is incomplete due the fact that i don’t know how the level of repair/enchancement affects the effectiveness of it.
This setup is highly focused on grinding and it is designed to not depend on anyone outside the group, in there we have sustain (With oracle buffs/heals even tho it’s not a lvl 15 cleric heal), we have a lot of dps single/aoe type, and we have an aggroer tanky centurion (which helps alot with the formations, and the it’s class tree is widely focused on tanking and havin survivability)

Well, there goes my theorycraft, it’s not a well elaborated thing since me and my friends done it without the info of skills effectiveness, so it may go wrong when it comes to the cbt/live (which i hope not) but this is it, hope you guys like it xD.

FatePGN · June 28, 2015, 1:40pm

I’ve added all the builds! I’ve given it a basic title if you haven’t given one yourself, please give it a title!

I also formatted the OP and added a build of the day (this may become build of the week in the future).
These builds are randomly chosen out of the builds from the previous day (or week in the future).

Continue theorycrafting! You may not have numbers, you may not have exact details, but it’s so much fun with what we do already have~

Once we have more details, feel free to make entirely new builds

Sonyqt · June 28, 2015, 1:44pm

pointing out you forgot to add the squire and the oracle

PS: And Schwarze Reiter is Archer q_q

FatePGN · June 28, 2015, 1:46pm

@Sonyqt Thanks for the quick catches! Seems it didn’t save my formatting on a seperate tab

Fixed!

Erokhi · June 28, 2015, 1:54pm

Build of the day is interesting, but you should put specific reasons behind that. Is it because unique? Crazy? Efectiveness? Powerful? Meta?
And if the game is released, there should be reviews and feedbacks from people who’re following the build, making the build stand on the most effective build rankings.

FatePGN · June 28, 2015, 1:55pm

@Erokhi Currently it’s randomly chosen from the compendium of builds. As soon as we have more info, better builds, I’ll add more criteria to build of the day! (or build of the week)

If you’d like to suggest criteria for future build of the day/week, I’m all open to it

NoElement · June 28, 2015, 1:59pm

If you don’t mind, write after or before my suggested dievdirbys build that it specialises in “turning monsters in plant type with druid and then using carving for extra damage” (and to make it easier to get materials for the statues), or just “carving specialist”.

Hmm, maybe a short discription for all the builds? Just so everyone gets an general idea. A few words are enough. Of course, only if you want to.

EDIT: ups, i didn’t see that the link in the opening post link to our posts, not to the skillbuilder itself, nevermind me!

FatePGN · June 28, 2015, 1:59pm

@NoElement short descriptions may be added, I’ll add it to the OP. I’ll edit it in just a minute

Also I’ll add a star next to popular builds. If members of the community decide to create full guides on their build, they’ll be a candidate for popular builds! Ofcourse this is in the future.