[kTest[Ktos]] Class rework thread

greyhiem · October 25, 2017, 5:34am

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Updated on June 6 2017

Quickjump links
-After summon patch Sorc info post (click to jump to post): [kTest[Ktos]] Class rework thread
-New hat droplocations available on tosneet (and tosneet kr)

View new skill damage

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner
Hover over the skill to check the % damage.

Item anvil cost, blessed shard cost is available!
https://tos.neet.tv/items

Stats

With help from gwenyth, sholf, queue, and various other testers.

Stat and bonus list <<Click here

Str =
All: +2 ATK Per Point (applies to min & max of main & secondary)
All: +3.5 Accuracy every 15 points
All: +1 Accuracy every 2 points
All: +5 ATK every 10 Stat Points

Int =
All: +2 MATK Per Point
All: +5 MATK Every 10 Stat Points
+damage for summons based on their skill formula

Con =
Swordsman: +70 max HP per point
Wizard: +45.5 max HP per point
Archer: +49 max HP per point
Cleric: +56 max HP per point
.
Swordsman: +280 max HP per 10 points
Wizard: +182 max HP per 10 points
Archer: +196 max HP per 10 points
Cleric: +224 max HP per 10 points
.
All: +2 HP Recovery Per Point
All: +5 HP Recovery Every 10 Points
All: +1 stamina every 20 points
All: +0.1% HP recovery effectiveness per point (applies to drain skills, potions, buffs)
All: +0.5 Block per points
All: +3.5 Block per 15 points

Spr =
Swordsman: +4.2 max SP per point
Wizard: +7 max SP per point
Archer: +4.9 max SP per point
Cleric: +5.6 max SP per point.
.
Swordsman: +16.8 max SP per 10 points
Wizard: +29 max SP per 10 points
Archer: +19.6 max SP per 10 points
Cleric: +22.4 max SP per 10 points
.
All: + 2 SP Recovery Per Point
All: +5 SP Recovery Per 10 Points
+??? Summon HP
+0.67% (?) summon damage
+0.67% (?) summon def
All: +0.1% SP recovery effectiveness per point (applies to drain skills, potions, buffs)
+??? status resist

Dex =
All: +4 Critical Attack per skill point
All: +1 Block Penetration every 2 points
All: +1 Evasion every 2 Points
All: +3.5 Block Pen per 15 points
All: +3.5 Evasion per 15 Points
All +10 Critical Attack per 10 skill points

Innate stat growth

List <<Click here

+1 crit rate every 2 character levels
+1 crit resist every 2 character levels
+1 evasion every 4 character levels
+1 accuracy every 4 character levels
+1 block penetration every 4 character levels
+1 block every 4 character levels
+1 max magic attack every 2 levels
+1 min magic attack every 2 levels
+1 max physical attack (main and sub) every 2 levels
+1 min physical attack (main and sub) every 2 levels

New Property Penalties

Click image to zoom in (enlarge)
For example, fire vs fire = -25% damage.
Fire vs earth = +50% damage.

Equip type bonus

Passive max level 1. Cannot upgrade it anymore.

Plate, cloth, leather <<Click here

Plate
3 equips: -5% physical damage received
4 equips: -(5+5)% physical damage received

Cloth
3 equips: -5% magic damage received
4 equips: -(5+5)% magic damage received

Leather
3 equips: +30 crit rate, +30 accuracy
4 equips: +(30+20) crit rate, +(30+20) accuracy

Transcendence

Shard calculator (it is easier to use tosneet item section)

Ready725 made a calculator for your blessed shard cost: http://dedi.onfry.com/tos/transcend_mat/
Use calculator and skip explanation…

Only if you are interested... <<Click here

Explanation if interested
Shards needed for 100% success =

floor(((1 + (transcend_lvl + equip_req_lvl ^ (0.2 + ((floor(transcend_lvl / 3) * 0.03)) + (transcend_lvl * 0.05))) * equip_ratio) * grade_ratio));

transcend_lvl: Item transcendence level, starting from 0 for untranscended equipment
equip_req_lvl: The level required to equip the equipment
equip_ratio: Equipment type modifier
1H Weapon = 0.8
2H Weapon = 1.0
Subweapon = 0.6
Armor = 0.55
grade_ratio: Equipment grade modifier
Normal (white) = 1.00
Magic (blue) = 1.10
Rare (purple) = 1.15
Unique (orange) = 1.24
Legend (yellow) = 1.40

Damage formula

Help eternal dream’s thread about damage formula!
: The Grand Modifier Thread | Skill damage boosts and 'additional attack' sources explained

damage = (% increase factor) x attackA x min {1, log10 ((attackB / (defense + 1))^0.9 + 1)} + (+ increase)

Official link: https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=959

Explanation <<Click here

.% increase factor refers to skills and other factors that increase attack on a percentage
.AttackA = your attack in F1 status window. If crit, AttackA = (1.5*physical attack+crit attack). Magic cannot crit.
.AttackB = your attack in F1 status window.
.Defense = enemy def, min is there to ensure that the applied attack value calculated via defense does not exceed 1
.(+increase) refers to additional damage (+) from sources like elemental property damage, blessing buff (priest), concentrate (swordsman).

Other formula

critical chance = (max(0, critical rate – critical resistance)) ^ 0.6

evasion chance = (max(0, evasion – accuracy)) ^ 0.65

block chance = (max(0, block – block penetration)) ^ 0.7

Crit table (example) <<Click here

Note: 2154 crit rate is required to get 100% crit vs 0 crit def enemy.

Damage cap

Damage cap is 555’555 (¬555k)

Attack speed test

Dex attack speed bonus does NOT affect magical skills!!!

Dex affects off-hand attacks now.
Ping/connection is still the limiter for attack/sec.
(Summons) Does NOT affect summon attack speed.

List of skills which are affected by attack speed (dex) <<Click here

Dex / attack speed list
-All normal attacks

Swordman3 double slash
Highlander2 moulinet, skyliner
Rodelero3 shooting star
Corsair Dust devil
Corsair2 hexen dropper
Fencer1 sept etoiles, flanconnade
Fencer2 attaque composee
Fencer3 attaque au fer

Dievdirby1 carve attack
Paladin1 smite
Paladin3 conviction
Monk1 double punch, hand knife, palm strike
Monk2 one inch punch
Inquisitor1 god smash

Archer1 oblique shot
Archer2 kneeling shot (affected by attack speed)
Archer3 twin arrows
Ranger1 barrage, critical shot
Quarrel shooter3 Running shot buff (stack and scale with attack speed) (stack with cannoneer2 bazooka mode) (does not work properly with reiter1 limacon)
Scout3 split arrow
Rogue2 backstab
Fletcher1 crossfire, barbed arrow
Reiter1 limacon (buffed attack is affected by attack speed)
Cannoneer2 bazooka mode (buffed attack affected by attack speed)
Musketeer1 bayonet thrust, buttstroke
Mergen1 spreadshot, triple arrow

Video of attack speed tests on quarrel shooter and monk <<Click here

reach 5-6 attacks per second on good ping on QS3 Archer3 on running shot + kneeling shot with chrono quicken support. Quicken level 10, archer dex build with around 180 dex.

This is 5-6 arrows per second without any additional line equipment, and without additional line buffs.

many thanks to 블랑노름

Monk double punch

Price reduction on cube reroll

Reroll your cubes after patch.

List of new cube prices <<Click here

The cost of re-rolling cubes have been reduced and changed to the following prices:

    - Molich Cube  - [ 60k -> 20k ]
    - Rafene Cube  - [ 50k -> 20k ]
    - Armaos' Cube  - [ 50k -> 30k ]
    - Red Lavenzard's Cube  - [ 75k -> 30k ]
    - Kalejimas Cube  - [ 75k -> 20k ]
    - Sicarius Cube  - [ 50k -> 30k ]
    - Attok Suspicious Box  - [ 60k -> 10k ]
    - Forest Cube  - [ 50k -> 20k ]
    - Sausys Cube  - [ 300k -> 250k ]
    - Violent Cerberus Cube  - [ 50k -> 10k ]
    - Noisy Mineloader Cube  - [ 50k -> 10k ]
    - Forest Keeper Ferret Marauder Cube  - [ 50k -> 10k ]
    - Kubas Cube  - [ 50k -> 10k ]
    - Burning Fire Lord Cube  - [ 100k -> 30k ]
    - Wrathful Harpeia Cube  - [ 100k -> 30k ]
    - Necroventer Cube  - [ 100k -> 30k ]
    - Glackuman Cube  - [ 100k -> 30k ]
    - Ellaganos Cube  - [ 200k -> 50k ]
    - Marionette Cube  - [ 200k -> 50k ]
    - Dullahan Cube  - [ 200k -> 50k ]
    - Prison Manager Prison Cutter Cube  - [ 200k -> 50k ]
    - Mirtis Cube  - [ 500k -> 60k ]  
    - Helgasercle Cube  - [ 500k -> 60k ]
    - Rexipher Cube  - [ 500k -> 60k ]
    - Marnox Cube  - [ 500k -> 60k ]
    - Nuaele Cube  - [ 600k -> 70k ]
    - Blut Cube  - [ 600k -> 70k ]
    - Zaura Cube - [ 600k -> 70k ]

Old Ktest big balance Patches
-Translated by gwenyth, many many thanks

Patch 1 (old)

Patch 1 rebalance: https://pastebin.com/XnzBaQTx , and skill values: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18hkDYLih9nbsmH4Mfmv46jVxnVQYRQUiyBjAI3pbBgA/edit?usp=sharing[/details]

[details=Old patch 2]Patch 2 rebalance: https://pastebin.com/Bxg4vAT1
Second damage balance (click to enlarge image):

[details=Patch3, old ]Latest (old) patch (patch 3) : https://pastebin.com/hMt5sCsG
[/details]

Rank reset event ended @Kor

OLD <<Click here

KTOS live vid

Click the hyperlinked letters or words (colour blue) to open vid (all youtube vids).
To be sure, just hover your pointer over all text on each line (if it changes colour = link to vid)

Swordies <<Click here

Wizards <<Click here

Archers <<Click here

Clerics <<Click here

Other/misc <<Click here

Other
[Worldboss blut many players] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7xjNthn1g&t=44)
5 players vs worldboss Blut [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G07u6FZwd3w)
[Cleric deprotected zone 100 stack test] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSzjGjxQrtw)
[Rogue werewolf card bugged] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyTI2MtC6MI)
[rogue sneakhit test lvl 15 vs player] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb7oVJqcuzc)
[shinobi clone attack speed test] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0tlkXNMCUU&t=146)

PVP TBL <<Click here

Includes druid, kino, Sorc-necro, Cannon, inquis x 2, musket and reiter, kabba, musket, falc3 [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMh9baveZxQ)

Include cannon, kabba, inquis, taoist and featherfoot, corsair [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFC67vS8QE4)

Include chrono, tao, kabba, inquis, dragoon [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm7KbAo3CBU)

Includes Doppel, inquis, lancer, falcon3 [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV0s9SxFJ8w)

Falcon bird orbital strike [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIgos0D6XzU)

More TBL
[here A] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tqgcPaiRSY)
[and here B] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IByX6bfwUks)

Monk 2vs2 PvP [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn4Lt_qoo6E&t=58)
Monk TBL 5v5 [here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVQXREOEJGc)

Some specific builds

Fast easy dungeon clear (dungeon 140 or 170 for best silver): Reiter3 Limacon build.
Materials/drop farmer: wiz > x > linker2 > thauma2 > featherfoot2, Link Knot Swell (Curse) Kundela. Or wiz3 link2 thaum2 > x. Link Knot Swell Magic Missile.
Great easy cheap support, (since) forever: chrono3.

Popularity ranking

Popularity list (KR): http://tos.nexon.com/rank/characterrank.aspx?n4Type=0&n4World=1

Answers to some common class (meta) questions & changes: https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/ktest-ktos-class-rework-thread-important-info-in-1st-post/354628/587

Isuke_Shiro · April 11, 2017, 7:57pm

Quick review on my: A3-Scout3-Falcon-Mergen

Multishot (lv15): seems to be weaker
Current: 16 (1 per level) hits x 100% (dmg per hit)
Future: 10 hit (fixd) x 122%
Twin arrow (my cur.level is 1, we consider level 5 instead): maybe stronger?
Current: 5 charge, deal 2-hits apprx. 150% damage (but capped at 199 999, so I think it’s fake-multi-hit now - still deal 2 hits on object, weird?)
Future: 3 charhge, deal 2-hits x 241% (we need to wait it would true or fake 2 hits)
Heavy shot (Lv10, bonus 50% on plate armor): a lot stronger
Current: flat damage add per level.
Future: 456%, it’s cool because of 0-second-cooldown
Flare shot (lv15): damage overall is equal, but dps is lesser.
Current: 25s dur.; 2 hits per second
Future: 25s dur. (fixed for all level); 0.5 hits per second multiply by 401%
Split arrow (lv5): obviously stronger, get multiply by 189% (1st hits)

Mergen path: OMG it’s stronger

Triple arrow (lv5):
Current: 100% (your damage + skill damage) x 3 (For simple, do not consider multiply by explosion)
Future: 700% (lol I will got capped 199 999 with this) x3 (inorge explosion)
Homing arrow (lv5):
Current: 100% (your damager + skill) x 5
Future: 630% x 5
Arrow sprinkle (lv5): multiply by 560%

P/s: I think STR will benefit a lot with future patch
P/s2: [quote=“greyhiem, post:1, topic:354628”]
% enhance is now +0.5% per level.
[/quote]

Eww… It makes power said above reduced by a half

ImVeryJelly · April 11, 2017, 8:02pm

Alchemistic missile is still disgustingly energy bolt V2.

Laima increases move reduction with level up now? lv 1 - 12, lv 15 -40?

Ice spike is stronger than fireball.

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 7:59pm

My archer with your build, I will reset the scout3 part for sure.
Unless the bounced part is a multiplication of the initial hit.

Isuke_Shiro · April 11, 2017, 8:00pm

I feels sad for split arrow
Maybe I should switch to other class

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 8:08pm

Mergen spread shot indicates 5 hits.
Not sure if it is actually true.
The % scaling is a lot for 5 hits…at point blank.

Feelstasta · April 11, 2017, 8:09pm

Now Gung-ho scales with Str build (min + max patk) while Concentrate scales with dex, interesting. Still need to see how the new crit rate will work though.

Anyone know how the current skill damage is calculated? Like, in tosneet, it only says like XXXXdamage x attirbute%…I dont really know how to calculate that.

For example, Fencer’s Balestra says 10k base skill damage but idk the formulas on how it’s multiplied

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 8:12pm

damage = (% factor) x attack x log10 ((attack / defense + 1)^0.x + 1) + additional damage

: attack = current attack stated under Character Info and attack applied from buffs, items and attributes
: defense = current defense stated under Character Info and defense applied from buffs, items and attributes
:

% factor = damage increase in a percentage value (+00%)

: + additional damage = damage increase in a numerical value (+00)
: log10 = log base 10

The % factor is the factor in the skill description, I think.

Fencer balestra is 602% damage factor at level 5.
Refresh your page.

Feelstasta · April 11, 2017, 8:13pm

oooh, thanks. Is the one you posted above the current formula? Lemme run this a bit (fuck my math sucks)

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 8:14pm

This is the new formula.

Isuke_Shiro · April 11, 2017, 8:14pm

I’m not sure it works as intended or not. It seems too bad atm.

Feelstasta · April 11, 2017, 8:15pm

do you know the old one? So I can try to compare the two

Isuke_Shiro · April 11, 2017, 8:21pm

I wonder:
How will PP-IW combination perfomance? If it won’t get multi factor, it’s the end of my kino cryo RC
Due to attribute enhance may reduce to 0.5% per level, my diev-doctor will be nerfed too

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 8:26pm

Di3rn · April 11, 2017, 8:32pm

Just tested with cata and earthwave is still fake multi hit despite showing x5…

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 8:39pm

Archers have highest % scaling in game.
Reiter3 very very high scaling.
Musket2 nerfed a lot (buttstroke debuff now increases damage by +30%, before it was +100%).
Hunter CC + damage% impressive. Hunter coursing decreases phys defence of target by % now. Attribute to decrease mdef is % now. Retrieve attribute is -% phys def now.

All archers except QS3 (running shot nerfed), wugu (still flat scaling), rogue look okay.
Surprisingly, rogue has been nerfed (feint, vendetta, sneak hit, backstab crit chance%.
Falconer circling still useless beyond level 5.

@Di3rn that’s sad. Again fake skill description by devs.

greyhiem · April 11, 2017, 8:52pm

melstis.
-create a magic circle to increase buff effects
-Duration increase +100% for melstis lvl 5
-cannot exceed 20 seconds increase

llucas_arruda · April 11, 2017, 8:52pm

Pretty sad Miko and PD getting those big hit nerfs. Why? No need, not like the would be top damage, or ever was, or would be a problem with that. No more damage skill tree on Clerics then?

But my biggest problem is seeing Wugushi still flat damage. WHY?? I mean, WHY? Just make it scale with phys. att and almost all his problems would be solved, still going to be pretty bad this way…

I wonder, this 542% damage on ice wall would be affected by PP shards? Hyped if so. Pretty hyped with Cryo anyway big % scalings.

Glad to see all c3 (swords3 archer3 wiz3) seems really relevant now, maybe only exception cleric3… Clerics seems the less affected in any good way and more nerfed than all, no need to push them so much to supportive side killing all damage…

eralp96 · April 11, 2017, 9:04pm

Miko and pd nerfes are deserved. Thats too much damage near so much utility.

megamanex14 · April 11, 2017, 9:16pm

A lot of interesting skill changes