[PROTEST] New Legend Gear Patch Will Ruin The Game, Playerbase Will Shrink Greately

[ligerre98]

Powercreep is the norm in MMO that I agree, but it’s BS that everything require the same Mystic Pages + Blessed Gem. Like the Savinose era until before Moring hard, I could farm HG for misrus recipe, then go to some 380-410 map farming for those Ignas/Skia ichor, then do WB for Moringponia Ichor. For accessory you can either go with Drakonas set or the Uphill set or the Moring set. You have more option to go. But the upcoming several batches of equipment is 20 Pages, 50 BG, more Practonium, so it doesn’t matter which option I choose, I’m forced to craft with limited resources that also use for other thing like art, ark, transcend, switch arch stone, etc…

[sixshooterrs]

R.I.P Global server of TOS since we’re the only ones that can read this topic but not ktos and IMC itself unless IMC staff here push and considered some topic to deliver it in korea server. If a huge player data base drops in this patch with bad results, all i can say those who will left are the hardcore players but not all because we get tired too (speaking of vaivora) it takes luck to get it and so tiring for real what more these new “content legend set gears” to farm will make our whole life a waste.

I consider those comments above that they should make mats lower and increase drop rate for less stress farming. Continue to grow TOS!! hope you soon be a better game in future, because there are so many good, awesome MMO that will be release this year and so on. Listen to community ! let the players have fun / have a reason to stay and enjoy :))

[Sohryu]

We also have World Bosses that only gives 25 cubes for 25 players, so much for a World Boss.

Also IMC:

[Matsunaga]

Keep going
I like see people protest about this game hahaha grab popcorn

[devfrost44]

It’s good that people are giving feedback on the future content of the game. It meant that the player base still care. The TOS has been heading in generally the right direction until this big update. If you want to watch go ahead but don’t condescend the thread. Complain and feedback like this are necessary and I know for certain people are complaining about the same thing in Ktos forums as well.

[megamanex14]

Here is a summary of what I believe are the true underlying factors to the communities reaction towards this patch. Here comes the great Quote’ning!

@Azusagi

Nobody disagrees with new gear being introduced

@Azusagi

the introduction of the Thunder Ark which even among its peers is so far ahead it’s ridiculous. As if the new Arks being crafted with an incredibly rare drop wasn’t enough, that rare drop is in no way farmable and also required for the new BIS accessories which are at least twice as good as the previous BIS and require a Boruta Stage 5 Seal to unlock full potential. To add insult to injury every player needs 6 Arch Stones and a large majority of players are yet to equip their first vaivora ichor (especially with some builds just now having received a vaivora). It is unlikely that a quarter of Klai’s population will acquire a vaivora and new ark before White Witch arrives and of that small population that do, there will only be a handful with the new accessories.

@Azusagi

The scaling is insane, the investment required is absurd, and this is only our introduction. The outrage is a plea to IMC to slow down before they lose their casual crowd who are still working on Varna and proceed to alienate even the hardcore types who are:

@Azusagi

• Already dissatisfied with vaivoras attempting to act as class fixes
• Lepi (hard) functioning only as content for a handful of parties (the top 1%)
• New arks/accessories being locked behind RNG weekly rewards and billions of silver

@Azusagi

Finally I think you need to make stuff farmable even if it is slow.

@Azusagi

Time gating is hell and has been for this game forever. Some time gating is fine but calm down with it already).

@lladocspark

lower the required materials or make the materials at least 25% high to obtain in terms of drops.

@lladocspark

The variety of armor/weapon became more singular in terms of content.

• Even a PVE set will take so much time to complete what more the other set?
• Absurd Materials that are unknown drop rates.
  *The amount of of drops that can only be acquired.
• Ichors

@lladocspark

Fixing class by weapon

• Vaivora top up.

@metajeane

the rewards from new cm10 are a pure waste of time, i think we should have just one set with new ichor stats that increase in each content so that way we just farm one legendary gear and swap ichors.

@devfrost44

The problem right now is that they are diversifying equipment based on contents rather than playstyle. You are grinding days or months for a set of armor that you will only use at most 2 hour per week. ==. The only good split is the currently the PVP gear armor.

@ligerre98

it’s BS that everything require the same Mystic Pages + Blessed Gem.

@ligerre98

several batches of equipment is 20 Pages, 50 BG, more Practonium, so it doesn’t matter which option I choose, I’m forced to craft with limited resources that also use for other thing like art, ark, transcend, switch arch stone, etc…

@Csiko

Does IMC really think people are going to farm for this many sets of gear?

@softwhitetissue

Remember when IMC said, they’d add more casual friendly content?

@devfrost44

The grind right now is tedious but tangibly achievable when you imagine the effort on your mind. And on each milestone, you can see the improvement of your character in every contents. This update just move the goal post a hundred time further and say you need to do it at least 5 to 10 more times.

@Mathz

So i’ll need a Raid set to farm the CM set, for farm ichors so i can put on my Field Boss set, for farming ichors to my Raid set (?)
Dimensional set, Weekly boss set, gemstone set… cmon.

@Kur0ir0_Rai

Does IMC think we gonna have all day all night playing???

@Iconoclast

this seems unattainable considering the terrible drop rates, huge costs, and need for multiple sets.

That on top of a lot of the materials being used for multiple things (BGs, tome pages, nucle), and the several layers of RNG to upgrade (anviling, re-identification, ichor extraction, enchanting, awakening). I can’t imagine trying to anvil 5 different sets of gear with how hard it is to finish one ON TOP of multiple arks, all going up to level 10.

@Iconoclast

It’s hard enough to even get a Vaivora, nevertheless new gear that makes your old gear entirely irrelevant and gating the progress behind a 5-entry-per-week legend exhaust timer.

I really don’t know how they even expect their hardcore players to amass the materials they need to make this gear, despite it taking over a month of effort to make.

@devfrost44

They should have diversify the armor set based on play style not content. I mean they were doing so well with the various unique effect of vaivora, the ark and the new accesories.

@Ennislol

None of it makes sense but to make it more tedious and repetitive for this already incredibly tedious and repetitive game is. This isn’t even factoring in the need to anvil it.

@Ennislol

The biggest f u is why even separate multiple different pve sets? Why not just have one and it gives you different benefits based on the content you’re doing. Mmos have always been about pve and pvp. Why split up pve into 3+ sectors with different armor variations?!

And the amount of materials for everything… Do they honestly think people farm 24/7 to brick their gear anviling and start over again?

@Queue

It really is time for an Equipment and Upgrading system update on the scale of the Combat Update or Re:Build.

@Cless_Alvein

what gets me the most is actually having your main geared and through to be “complete” is getting harder and harder. Making an alt char even close to a “main”-tier becomes more and more impossible, ignoring the attribute points but due to pages and BGs alone required to complete the arts -> you need just too many for crafting and upgrading

@Iconoclast

it shouldn’t take an entire year to do so, especially since you need to use those mats for other things as well. Everything is RNG, all the way down, or absurd levels of slave-labor grinding.

@Zeucleio

These costs would be fine (imo) if there wasn’t so much Rng involved in upgrading the gears. Spending 40x Magic Stones to craft a lvl440 weapon only to brick it at +6? And then when they finally make some upgradable gear with no Rng involved (arks), their cost is absurdly high…

@midgardfrigg

Changing equip everytime we gonna do a content seems a chore and a let down.

@Hillgarm

Assuming you have a character at maximum level that isn’t fully geared, the natural progression is to make the best equipment set available, which that takes a lot of time and investment. Once the new equipment arrives, your set isn’t that good anymore but you already dumped a lot of time and resources on it. As you’ll likely not have anything else to use your time and resources with, it is just natural to go for the next set and waste all your time and resources on making it as it will eventually be the baseline for the to be released content. Also, you can’t just use the new set once you adquire it as we have all the enhancement layers, instead you have to put it on the corner until you can make it better than the current.

In case you didn’t managed to finish the set before the next release, you may not be able to participate in the new content and still be frustrated by having an incomplete set that may not have any use outside the character it was being built to (and at this point, investing on alts doesn’t seem reasonable).

Then we have to factor the non-recyclable elements of swapping sets, like Pamoka solutions, blessed gems, the obscene silver sink for anvils (and their RNG), gems (which might be the worst offender), enchantment jewels and awakening. To make it worse, you may not have the option to sell it either because it has 0 potential (as golden/ruby anvils exist). At least the ichor can be kept, for some time…

These new won’t be released as an alternative, it is the new ceiling tier that will define the future content “difficulty”. The time, investment and commitment to your current equipment don’t matter anymore.

@devfrost44

The amount of mat is a problem but it is not the core problem of this update. The core problem is the grind investment vs the reward. You are expected to gather all those materials for contents that you are going to do what, at most 2 hours per week? Let’s break each PVE armor and their usage:

CM and Raid (2 armor set)
This is arguably the most okay of them bunch as people spent a lot of time in CM and Raids are the end game. It’s not good either as the raid armor need you to run raids to get it so it essentially just make next runs easier.

Uphill and DCP

The current reward system is already horrible and in order to justify the new armor set for this content, they would need to ramp up the difficulty of the content and if they use the same reward system, well, there is no justifying getting those armor set

WBR and Field boss

This is the most horrible decision in my opinion. Let’s forget about field boss like moring as it usually too much of a lag fest and adding damage bonus won’t solve that anyway and take a look at WBR. In the current state, everyone can compete for it. As players geared up, they naturally become better in WBR and since the equipment are used in other content as well, WBR become this thing they can try to do on the end game. With this new armor set, you are essentially telling the meta that if you don’t have the armor set, forget about competing in the ranking. Okay then, you said and I will grind for WBR armor set to compete but think about what you are doing. You went all the effort of weeks or perhaps months crafting and upgrading for a set of equipment that you are only going to use max 2 hours play time per week.

This entire thing just… defy common sense of gameplay design. The effect is also lazy as hell considering all of its is just % of bonus damage and damage reduction.

Alright, I’ll stop here. I could quote more but it will just start getting repetitive.

T.D.L.R.: Too much grind, RNG, and time vs reward desparity.

One quote that sums it:

@Cless_Alvein

depresssion through progression…progressive depression?

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(Excuse me for quoting people, I just don’t have the energy to type this aggravating post)

[ghosthunterit]

Hello! I hope you can noticed this and let ktos dev team know our feedback before it’s too late.

@STAFF_Yuri @Staff_Alex @Staff_Jin @William121213513513 @STAFF_Bob @STAFF_Amy @GM_Francis

[draconis]

How I feel about this patch… I’m like the fresh player that starts and gets 1 coin each time he kills one mob then check shops and see that everything costs 1 million coins. Now after thousands of hours of playing, he finally gets what he wants and discovers that he can change his coins to gold bars at the rate of 1 bar per 1 million coins. Suddenly a new update comes, and now everything costs 1 million gold bars…

[Csiko]

@draconis

Suddenly a new update comes, and now everything costs 1 million gold bars…

It’s kind of like this, only where the gold bars are also locked behind a lottery event or drop at like a .01% chance from doing weekly content.

[fercapo90]

doesnt matter if we have to grind , the problem here its EVERITHING its locked behind Suspicius RNG

[mathias_cronquist]

I always have pointed out this, how they made so many nice content (equipment) that ends up being useless over time, and it happens since the lv315 gear sets i guess (emengard stuff and even this was kinda “balanced”)
I remember when equipment of lower level didn’t have such high impact and people equiped it just because of the secondary effects but sadly it will keep happening, that’s why i stopped playing ToS, they don’t value the time u spend in game anymore

[sixshooterrs]

Here’s a real talk, what ever we say about this patch if IMC staffs doesn’t give a dem toy well
there’s nothing we can do. I hope they notice this thread and get the most important highlighted parts as an iTOS community then Meteor throw it in korea

[hubertorito]

@sixshooterrs

Here’s a real talk, what ever we say about this patch if IMC staffs doesn’t give a dem toy well
there’s nothing we can do. I hope they notice this thread and get the most important highlighted parts as an iTOS community then Meteor throw it in korea

this exactly. literally nobody cares here in our forum lol

[peonage_parisi]

MMORPGs should stop using higher level cap and stronger gears that require higher levels as excuses for “new content”. What happens is that the games become a never ending grind of farming gears, throwing them for the new ones, and then repeating the cycle.

I liked their previous idea of not introducing higher level gears anymore, but instead just add more ways to customize or make the current gears stronger. Whatever happened to that idea, I do not know XD

[fredrik-mossberg]

I get the argument for that the huge amount of specific set gears are redundant and a huge slap in the face. But the argument over that old content gear becoming obsolete is for me a headscratcher. Isn’t that the point? With new content comes fresh new objectives and goals to work towards, the old crap is supposed to become yesterdays news.

Someone pointed out that they think its weird that the raid gear drops in raid and makes the raid easier. Well yea, pretty much all mmo’s do that. It’s to create a sense of progression and to be able to tackle even harder content later on like a hard mode for the raid.

I’m pretty new in this game and I’ve just recently acquired my varna gear and I’m not the least beat up about having to start over the grind for new gear when the content drops. As I’m well aware that is pretty much the point of the gameplay with mmo’s. I do realize the problems with this content update though and how they have decided to split up gear among so many different areas of the game and the huge costs for each one of them. Sure I have no idea if it will also become easier to farm up the mats needed, but to raise numbers just for the numbers sake would be dumb. No I agree with many that pvp and pve content should be treated separately with two sets of gears, enhancements and whatnot for each of them to create progression for each playstyle. But to divide the game into so many sections that they are trying to do now is beyond my reasoning.

Well I rambled enough, but my point is. If you are gonna argue about the flaws of this content update, really think about where the problem lies and come up with solid constructive critique instead of just arguing for the sake of it. Games need to move on from old content to new to keep the game fresh, interesting and to give the playerbase new goals to work toward.

[devfrost44]

There’s nothing wrong with introducing higher gear but they need to introduce different gear that encourage different playstyle, not based on content. Right now, the new armor is just a lazy game design.

[Fenatte]

Lo and behold, the easy mode version of the raid takes 40 minutes with post-glacier equipment.
Good freaking luck grinding multiple versions of this set and enhancing them to absurd levels when the raid itself takes over 3 hours every week to do with post-glacier gear ON EASY MODE.
I think i will maybe pick up the PvP set, because its extremely cheap to make and stick to varna for my PvE, since healers are privileged enough to not require endgame sets as much as DPS people do.

[Hillgarm]

@fredrik-mossberg

I get the argument for that the huge amount of specific set gears are redundant and a huge slap in the face. But the argument over that old content gear becoming obsolete is for me a headscratcher. Isn’t that the point? With new content comes fresh new objectives and goals to work towards, the old crap is supposed to become yesterdays news.

In a traditional MMO that is enough as every single role and playstyle is set on classes, and you can add equipment that complements them, that doesn’t completely works with ToS’ class isn’t completely aligned and IMC can’t address all of them at once (nor over months).

Additionally the stat check barrier is (almost always) set to the higher end, meaning you don’t have an option to keep your gear (in case you prefer the old effects). Presenting new gear as an option is great, making it mandatory is horrible.

[miren.remin]

(maybe) being the devil’s advocate here, but i’m genuinely interested actually.
if you were the developer, how would you design new gear for new game content to make people interested to touch the new game content without overshadowing old gear?

[devfrost44]

It’s okay to overshadow old gear but the design right feel pretty bland. Maybe they are afraid of balance if they add more ark like or vaivora like effect to the armor set but I don’t really mind them experimenting more with it.

On other news, data mined from the live update on Ktos, the armor set is now reduced to 3 set.
1 for CM, Field and DCP
1 for raid and WBR
1 for pvp

That is good news.