Missile Hole Discussion Compilation

[Seiran]

The purpose of this single-post topic is to have a central place with almost all discussions on Missile Hole on PvP and how it is seen by players at the moment of creation of this topic. Which we can see, the majority of them agrees on: Missile Hole renders Archers useless on PvP and this needs to be addressed.

I hope this is useful for staffs to know population’s point of view, since some Archers doesn’t even plays PvP anymore or simply gave up on an important aspect of the game because of this skill. @STAFF_Max @STAFF_Yuri

Some posts made me search the forum for old discussions on Missile Hole and I thought it was a nice thing to bring them up again since there are useful information and points of view:

Missile Hole Balance Discussion/Suggestions

Let me start by saying, I think missile hole is actually a good idea. Something like it that prevents the long-range oneshotters from mowing down literally everything. In practice though I think it's unreasonable, given that it has 100% uptime, and the last great hope (gohei) does not remove it. This completely (literally) negates an entire class tree and most of its subsequent branches and has effectively removed its future in PVP/GVG. Some suggestions: 1.) Rather than reducing missile dama…

Archer is so trash

Guys if you are taking this as a joke, please leave. You possibly know archer is a dps class, except hunter3 falc3, but no one cares archer is a dps or not, seriously, because cleric is dps, sword is dps, wizzar is dps. everyone is dps !!!!! and they all got buffed. Except Archer....... 1.) Firstly, let's see the strongest class of archer - SR In Rank8, SR has only one new skill, and it is a trash skill. You have to stand there for 10 sec, only hit 5 targets, no attribute, 60sec cd your damag…

Help my PvP build

Hey guys, I'm building an Archer for PvP and I was thinking of going Archer2 >Hunter3 > Scout1 > Cannon2. I'm not familiar with Archers, so my questions are: How much CON is necessary for TBL? Is STR needed? I just don't know how much block pen is desirable for Cannoneers. Would you swap Hunter3 for any other class and why? Any other input is appreciated as well. Thanks in advance!

Balancing Suggestions: Make PvP Great Again

PvP is so horribly unbalanced it doesn't make sense to queue if you don't have one of the few chosen builds that dominate all others. It's normal that PvP builds have an edge, but they shouldn't be insta-win either. So here's a couple suggestions, I know it probably will never happen but at least it's cathartic for me to write it down. In general: - 5v5 arena should be a bit bigger. - 1mn before the end of the alloted time, Sudden Death. Healing (natural HP recovery, items, or skills) or Resu…

Mergen or Musketeer

Which class do u hink better at pvp?? Can Mergen homing arrow do one shot one kill to enemy at pvp?? Or snipe is still the best?? I love snipe but i dont like swapping weapon from bow for my wugushi to gun for musk... Thanks for answering

Why no dievdirbys doing solmiki content?

Dievdirbys was for a long time not a super popular class in Korea. They had a much stronger affinity towards FS Priest builds. Dievdirbys became popular in the west far quicker than the east for one reason or another. It wasn't until the Melstis + Ausrine cheese was discovered that it gained more popularity in the east. In any case, a lot of groups out there generally accept that it takes up too many party spaces to have one player on a Dievdirbys build and another be a Melstis bot that does n…

What the meta for PvP atm?

What are the meta/best builds for PvP atm ? Thanks.

[Guide] The Best of Both Worlds (Mergen: The Next Generation) work-in-progress

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Why is Sage Immune skill nerf while Diev3 Austrine wasnt?

You realize Missile Hole is an instant cast party AoE buff while Ausrine requires a margin of effort to take the buff (often times buggy in detection), has reduced time per person that takes the buff, and the statue itself can be destroyed rather quickly? Did I mention how it has less than a third of Ausrine's cooldown and doesn't consume reagents?

What, in your opinion, are the 5 most useless CLASSES for pvp/gvg?

I'm asking about specific classes, not the builds themselves. Whatcha guys thin?

Musketeer PvP/GvG help

Hey guys, i'm trying to figure it out, a nice build for musk focused in pvp, i saw this 2 builds and seems interesting. same variation off A2>H2>Scout1, but 1 is with fletcher and the other with rogue. What u guys think? like this two, any toughts/other builds? Thanks :smiley:

Help with Chronomancer build

I'm thinking of making a chrono but I can't decided between pyro1>linker2>chrono3 or cryo3>chrono3. I'm guessing cryochrono is overall better at supporting, but much harder to level. If anyone could give me some insight on this, especially considering rank8.

Petition: Nerf Missile Hole. A single Rank should NOT make entire classes from Rank 1 to 8 useless

I heard rumors that even GMs says that Missile Hole is a problem. Even in Korean version it was so OP that it was nerfed to 16 hits only. What's the point of make any support class that doesn't finish with Sage for mobile and 100% uptime damage immunity? What's the point of party-playing when a Miko, that is supposed to remove buffs so your team can kill an enemy, cannot remove Missile Hole? What's the point of reaching rank 8 as an archer when a single-rank skill will make entire class t…

[Composition]

Woah, I do understand that you might want to bring attention to find a solution for something that you and many others deem as unbalanced. That’s ok.

But, you’ve turned into an anti-missile hole zealot. Go get some -beverage of choice- and chill for a while.

[Seiran]

No, the purpose of this thread is just to have a central place that compiles all discussions on Missile Hole from a lot of different people, since some thinks it’s only me. That’s it, nothing more.

[Composition]

Do you mind telling me why you’re the OP of two of those post? Heh.
Just don’t let it go out of your hands crusader.

[Seiran]

Some posts made me search the forum for old discussions on Missile Hole and I thought it was a nice thing to bring them up again since there are useful information and points of view:

This ^

A separate topic with the contents of the discussion compilation is better than one lost in posts which gets pushed down by trolls, which happens unfortunately, that’s why I opened one with the compilation being a single point which contains almost all discussions where I didn’t plan on answering/discussing here, unless I needed to or someone called me for whatever reason.

[kurayami1234]

The purpose of this thread is to gain attention for yourself.

Really, go to

Petition: Nerf Missile Hole. A single Rank should NOT make entire classes from Rank 1 to 8 useless

I heard rumors that even GMs says that Missile Hole is a problem. Even in Korean version it was so OP that it was nerfed to 16 hits only. What's the point of make any support class that doesn't finish with Sage for mobile and 100% uptime damage immunity? What's the point of party-playing when a Miko, that is supposed to remove buffs so your team can kill an enemy, cannot remove Missile Hole? What's the point of reaching rank 8 as an archer when a single-rank skill will make entire class t…

We dont need another thread for this.

huehue

[elijiahrave]

TBH Aus deserves a higher priority in case skills are to be tweaked, if ever

[Seiran]

It does not. Aus have counters, Missile Hole not. Please refer to the threads linked on the first post for proper discussions, thanks.

[elijiahrave]

Aus have counters, Missile Hole not

Are you referring to gohei? Coz I’m pretty much sure it does dispel MH as well

[Seiran]

It does not. You can confirm with any Miko /

Petition: Nerf Missile Hole. A single Rank should NOT make entire classes from Rank 1 to 8 useless

It just needs to be able to be removed by Gohei imo.

Please refer to the threads linked on the first post for proper discussions and detailed info, thanks.

[CasualGamer]

Broadhead Arrow and posion and physical attacks and CC. magic damage also counters missile hole. Seems like a lot to me.

[Seiran]

Broadhead Arrow and posion and physical attacks and CC. magic damage also counters missile hole. Seems like a lot to me.

Doing damage without Missile Attacks doesn’t counter as countering something that blocks Missile Attacks, the point of Missile Hole being unbalanced is against Missile Attacks, which almost all the archer’s class tree is based on.

Broadhead Arrow and Poison = status ailment. Works, viable if Missile Hole is nerfed to 30s duration or less.

Melee Physical Attack = unrelated.

CC = Still does not counter. Being CC’ed and Missile Hole immunity are different things. Again, viable if Missile Hole duration is nerfed to 30s duration or less.

Magic Damage = No archer have magic damage, unrelated.

None of the said things effectively counters the effect of Missile Hole.

Again, please refer to the threads linked on the first post for proper discussions and detailed info, thanks.

[elijiahrave]

oh yah, since it’s a rank 3 buff, i get it now

https://tos.neet.tv/misc/buffs?q=missile

[gwa_pao]

which gets pushed down by trolls

when people are against your opinion they are trolls…
I see, so that’s the new definition of trolls huh? xD

[Seiran]

I’m totally in favor of people having different opinions. Open to discuss anything as long you respect the thread and follow the linked ones which each discussion takes place. Open to discuss any real argument/point which isn’t a troll/hue post. Thanks.

[haukinyau1]

reality - MH needed rework, same as 90% of other skills ingame

reality - MH needed rework, any changes is better than its current state, same as 90% of the other skills in the game

reality - MH needed rework, but as 90% of the other skills needed rework too, everyone need to wait for their turn.

reality - MH needed rework. This is obvious as f. Lunnarrabbit captain obvious for telling that. Fire is hot n Water is wet. So. Much. Seriousness.

reality - MH needed rework. But as if our suggestion have any effect on IMC. Look at Corsair JR n Pistol Shot. They totally ignored our suggestion and make it a new skill now. Who would have guessed?

tldr: bait trap

[Alyosha]

Gonna bump this so nobody posts in the daily missile hole bait thread.

[Seiran]

Single line answer: Other skills in the game doesn’t make a class useless from Rank 1 to 8.
For more discussion, please refer to the topics on the first post, thanks.

[haukinyau1]

singleline answer: invite imc dev for a pvp , let them feel their own coding. much better than wall of text “suggestion”

hue?

[Seiran]

For further discussions, use the topics listed on the first post, may you please?