*** Swordsman Classes Need to be Fixed *** [IMC, are you looking at this?]

[Abel_Orihara]

See its obvious you aren’t looking for help or improvement just pushing nails into your coffin. No facts, no proof, no experience. Nothing but “Everyone that failed at their role agrees with me” garbage that is serving as nothing but blanket statements.

You are just making lies now. Not only to me but to yourself but read the thread. Plenty of current swordsmen have explained to you how to play even as the noob you are with no difficulty at all. But everyone’s attention to you has expired because you are ceaselessly stupid to obvious avail.

With your ending being a push & push & push then repeat, repeat, repeat. And while you continue breaking your keyboard not taking in any of the knowledge bestowed upon you the rest of us have gotten ill of your plague and left.

[mykelxiii]

KTOS latest update 12/05/16 - More Swordsmen buffs & Stone Skin nerf

Source from reddit The important parts for Swordsmen: Barbarian Pouncing •Stunned targets will receive 200% additional damage when hit with Pouncing at a 2% chance per skill level. Rodelero Shield Charge •When hit by missile attacks, the chance to block will increase. Slithering •Block chance increased during use. Battle league only changes (PVP): Team Battle League has received the following changes: 1.The duration of 3 skills effects will be displayed in the tooltip. Heali…

KToS patch - Barbarian and Rodelero buffs - discussion

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/4dpbyj/ktos_update_note_released/ Credits to @Cathexis kTOS Barbarian Changes •War Cry◦Cooldown decreased to 50 seconds (down from 82 seconds). •Frenzy◦Cooldown decreased to 70 seconds (down from 90 seconds). •Cleave◦Cooldown decreased to 16 seconds (down from 21 seconds). ◦Overheat increase to 3 (up from 2) •Helm Chopper◦Cooldown decreased to 20 seconds (down from 24 seconds). ◦Stun chance increased (unsure amount). •Seism◦Co…

Ktos swordsman dps buff

Swordsman prayers answered? Now I'm just waiting when and if we're getting this here in i-TOS :sweat_smile: [Swordsman Classes in General] - Whilst sprinting, you now also gain a 30% Resistance to negative status ailments. - The Attack Power gained from the STR stat will be increased by 30% [Highlander] - Skyliner: Skills animation time has been decreased, and can also now be canceled. [Barbarian] - Pouncing: Skills hit range has been increased, Damage will also apply a lit…

To name a few. You, my friend, are the only one blind here. Burn.

Side note: Still no counter argument and only insults. Sad.

[Noobz]

Jack’s getting hammered downnnnn!!!

aaaandddd im still eating salty popcorns here hahaha

[thailehuy]

That trump troll meme lol

The sad part is trump still get more supporters than him

[Turyons]

Boy, you are trying to force your view on the Swordsman class as the absolute truth and saying that everyone who doesn’t feel like playing a tank is wrong. Get real, if you don’t agree with the idea of dealing DPS as a melee (mainly the reason for the 2H weapons classes to exist) you don’t need to argument with anyone here at all.
Show me one phrase said by an actual developer in which he says Swordsmen are meant to only tank, preferably with him explaining why they did make so many offensive circles for the class then.
It’s your opinion, and by the looks of the thread and how everyone is reacting to you, it’s not the majority’s opinion, almost no one here agrees with anything you say.

[Noobz]

Swordsmen! > A discussion from your humble jack of trades side support healer!

Swordsmen this is at you. So normally I run the dungeons daily no problems everyone has fun and my healing has always sufficed no resting or breaks full runs always then i solo the boss and res everyone at the end. AND everyones happy. Today I had two full as gods @sscrack of themselves melee's in group with +0 garbage weapons and complete trash not even blue tier gear with below minimum requirement health and god only knows where it went because i wasnt in dps either, Come at me about my abil…

Now I understand why jack hates shieldmen good thing jack is jack

[mykelxiii]

He must have only experienced simple games where you only have one job to do. He gets confused with versatility. I hope someday he can digest that idea.

[che_extreme]

Is this your first time playing MMOs (or any video games)?

HP is not the defining factor of whether a class is meant to tank or not. I will point you back to an MMO called Ragnarok Online, which is likely one of the inspiration of this game. OR more recently, look at Final Fantasy XIV and look at all of the variations of the so-called “tank” classes most if not all games that feature a swordsman archetype include variance for DPS…

This game is actually guilty of not staying true to its own concept of variety, where it seems as though you are not needed or at all wanted if you don’t take the one class for the one one skill that everyone else seems to only care about. The developers promised that you could make whatever you wanted and it would be viable, except that does not seem to be the case judging from what everything in this thread.

This is all coming from the guy that almost religiously plays a swordsman job tree on his first playthrough of any game.

[Noobz]

[chillcross]

The developers promised that you could make whatever you wanted and it would be viable, except that does not seem to be the case judging from what everything in this thread.

Did they ever promise that? I’m curious, tbh. Because viability is more in the eyes of the community above all else, so that doesn’t sit right if they try to make everything have equal viability from the standpoint of a dev.

That said, it wouldn’t hurt to give Swordsmen more utility along with their DPS. Right now I feel because all of our damage lack oomf, that having utility will set us different from the Wizards and such. Highlander has some of the right approach to a utilitarized DPS character, and Corsair has pretty decent party support.

[che_extreme]

Let me put it in terms that follow your logic.

From what I can assess of this topic (I can’t give me own opinion on this since I haven’t moved that far ahead), once you hit the 200+ level mark, if you do not have the one class for the one skill that the rest of the party cares about, you’re are useless to them and therefore not worth keeping in the party. That alone tells you that this game has a very broken game design element with regard to one class archetype.

And yes, they did say that you could play any class in any combination of advancements without it being a hindrance to your experience. I have trouble finding the dev blogs where this was made mention of, but I am certain they said that much was possible, and right now, the opposite of what they said is the case (“can’t lure? you’re useless”).

[haukinyau]

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[che_extreme]

The world isn’t as black and white as you pretend it to be, not to mention as deluded.

Becoming a professional in law is more and more becoming a “burgers and fries” type of job because the sheer amount of people that are graduating as lawyers and from similar law degrees. The same is happening to engineers. This day an age a truck driver and a fisherman job can earn you significantly more than the civil engineering job or the fickle law profession because it has become a race to the bottom… so your analogy doesn’t work.

If one skill is the only thing that is needed of an entire class in this game, then the problem is with the game’s design and not its players.

[TacioDaito]

What’s the point of have 80 classes, if not the viability?

[chillcross]

That’s a community-driven thing though. “If you’re not a Peltasta then gtfo” is more or less the community because nobody else has an CC mechanic that actually spans beyond the screens and can quite honestly spam it.

What the issue is the Swordsmen who want to become the glassy close ranged DPSers can’t even hold a candle to the ranged and magic DPSers at all, despite being in more danger than them indefinitely. The ones that don’t want to be a bruiser or a tank want to deal pure damage, but because of the community, how Pelt 1 is designed, and how generally the other classes preformed; they’re shoehorned into the role of being at least a bruiser. Also huh, Must’ve missed that post in the dev blog.

What’s the point of have 80 classes, if not the viability?

I’m not sure. When you get to that level of massiveness, you need entire teams to even document. Like, look at League and it’s constant influx of Champions versus ones that don’t even see the light of day in trade of the ones that are played simply becomes overtuned.

Honestly I don’t expect every class to be viable. Because viability is quite dependent on what the game wants from it’s players; In our case Saalus runs and Earth Tower being the current meta shaper. It just depends on what happens when new content comes out presuably with Rank 8.

[Eroica]

You pretty much only need a decent healer for saalus, if the party knows what they are doing. Such as:

1)Bring first boss to statue, kill it there while AoE the waves at the same time.
2)Kill teleporters
3)One person can kite the turtle away from group, just within its reset aggro range.
4)Know what AoEs to avoid eating

It’s pretty easy.

[che_extreme]

Most of what you said is a fault of game design through a lack of foresight.

The “meta” is itself shaped by how the developers go about making the game. If their purpose was to make swordsmen essentially an afterthought at the endgame because the only useful skill they got is a skill that is locked to one class that is built around a concept completely different from the other class builds (tank vs DPS), then they fooled me with their ability to balance the game.

If much of the content can be rolled with just the archer and the mages, then also map and mob design is also at fault. Whatever happened to mobs to the idea that mobs could be resistant/immune to magic or even physical/ranged attacks? I don’t want to assume that this kind of game play is not found in the game, but judging by the impression given on this thread, it seems that AI, level and mob design in general are quite lacking. Hopefully that’s not the case and it just happens that some of the more popular maps are the ones that benefit the ranged/magic class over melee.

That said, much this stuff could have been solved by actually creating a DPS table with the ideal average and setting all the classes and their job/ranks relative to the DPS bar (these classes have higher DPS than the rest, these others have lower DPS and then these belong in the average). Right now it just doesn’t help the swordsman jobs.

[thailehuy]

That’s a community-driven thing though. “If you’re not a Peltasta then gtfo” is more or less the community because nobody else has an CC mechanic that actually spans beyond the screens and can quite honestly spam it.

What the issue is the Swordsmen who want to become the glassy close ranged DPSers can’t even hold a candle to the ranged and magic DPSers at all, despite being in more danger than them indefinitely. The ones that don’t want to be a bruiser or a tank want to deal pure damage, but because of the community, how Pelt 1 is designed, and how generally the other classes preformed; they’re shoehorned into the role of being at least a bruiser

Community is only partly at fault. Trust me, I’ve gotten into many party in Evac as a DPS swordman.

The problem is that DPS swordman cannot do much at current high level content. Mobs screw you up by knock/flinch, sleep/freeze, or ridiculous physical/pinpoint magical damage.

DPS swordman cannot avoid those, while ranged DPS can, because by nature of a party, there will always be someone who shield for the ranged DPS, but not melee.

And frankly, if you ask me, I wouldn’t even take myself into the party if I have choices, since anyone can fill the spot better.

[chillcross]

I honestly just wanted to iterate that it isn’t entirely the devs doing, even though they pretty much laid the foundations that led to this. Part of the blame does extend to the community, but it is pretty much as you said: A lack of foresight. There’s a bunch of variables to consider when it comes to how a Swordie does DPS aside it’s numbers: Because if they don’t get a chance to actually deal it, what’s the point?

The amount of CC in this game that can choke a melee is actually pretty damn ridiculous, meanwhile Magic types have the upper hand indefinitely. Yeah sure, Magic can’t crit but it never misses, coupled with the fact that there are very few ways to actually mitigate magic aside from a few outlier spells (Resist Elements, Counterspell, etc) and that most magic spells don’t even say how many times they could hit an enemy, they’ll straight just out DPS most due to their nature.

There needs to be some magic-unfriendly endgame content or rather some mechanic that’d slow them down considerably to alleviate the meta of Wizards. Despite the fact that Pelts are really only seen as meat tanks, there’s simply nothing really favoring them aside looking cool.

[deanleroy89692]

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