Maybe I posted everything on purpose because of exactly what I said in this post. Then you did exactly what it says twisting everything for an extremely moot point. You literally spun in circles trying to say nobody denied then when I found references you went on about time frames when the center point is people denying exploits and everything.
My statement is accurate whether since iCBT2 or launch which you even had to sit there and try to pin me down on the moot point of it not happening and it actually was on multiple things at multiple times. All just to disagree with me. Yet even if I did pull the ace from my sleeve of exactly what you wanted you STILL would try to find a moot point to stand on after that.
This all comes full circle to that and not what you just humorously twisted it out to be. You basically just defended a bunch of people denying exploits all because your bias against me personally. That is the real point here not what ever you just said in your last post about me not being accurate, truthful, or what ever mumbo jumbo.
I even corrected the first post then you still went on having a fit about that too.
They didn’t deny. Can you quote that or you can’t find? That’s my point.
The only one changing the argument/topic of discussion to walk in circles, each time a different thing, is you.
My only point is about you saying “People are denying exploits existed” and you still didn’t show any quote that people denied exploits.
Also, “pulling ace from sleeve”, are we playing a game or trying to see what wins an argument? Why? For nothing? Isn’t it just better to talk about concrete stuff instead of chasing mirages of white knights with secret tricks and logical fallacies?
Like I said, the only thing I want is to talk about concrete things. If I had any grudge or anything about you I wouldn’t even say that I like some of your posts to a friend. I do think that you’re a nice person and I admire people who do their work seriously which you seem to have.
But please notice, you’re going out of your point, exploits exist here and there, everyone knows it right? There’s no one denying them.
And of course I won’t agree to something you are making up. If you want talk about concrete bugs or problems, go ahead, let’s talk. Isn’t this simple enough?
You still don’t seem to realize I purposely responded to a troll post with something stupid on purpose knowing full well you would come and reply. It literally just proved your bias against me which I know from previous topics of you doing this as a revenge for the Missile Hole thing. Does it start make sense now that I didn’t even use the term White Knight yet you were ready to defend anyone for sake of vainglory here just to be right. Now please stop spamming Max’s thread over something silly I am sorry everyone.
For real back on topic my new suggestion which sort of falls under bugs is correct skill translations and explanations. Biggest problem with this game is not only when you pick a class or advance to find out it is bugged the other is when it says something and actually doesn’t do what it says. That’s why you’ve got millions of people asking for resets since a lot of the skills are misleading.
To add to that, A skill showcase with videos at the class select screen or a skill test enviroment of the class you’re going to take would be nice too.
I agree with that, especially with the R8 skills preview with 50k damage which feels off from reality from almost all players, if not all on some skills with low base damage.
Now… really… you just want to “add” a bias on how I act by what you think. Later you’re gonna try to define what I think and what I do? rofl
I think you are painting your reality too much with illusions, seriously.
Why should you post something for me to reply but I should be the one who ignores you and don’t reply? Isn’t you who the one who wants to be right? Even when it’s about other’s people feeling, thoughts and actions?
You’re “right” even on how other people thinks, you must be a Goddess, you should be part of the game to save the world.
Except you replied to what I said in that post as expected. That’s the reality and people mistaked Boleto exploiting for duping if you want to get technical. From what people speculated the buy back was removed over resetting potential on gear which I never really did that when it actually worked to know. People thought negative warp was back but it did end up being a visual thing.
Now on to the -real- things this one was the real killer that people got away with forever. Who knows how many people abused this early on and got away with bloody murder before cubes were even a thing.
That was -not- during beta and most accounts if you search topics are in August. There’s never been a roll back in the history of this game ever at any point so all those items from July/August to December created from exploited still float around I’m sure. The only people who deny this stuff is the buddy of one your post likers who I’m waiting to hear from in a couple days. That one I can quote directly for you here:
So now you want to get serious? We gonna go here now. What do you have to say about the GM basically denying major exploits over about…at least four to eight months? Which is worse me making something up to bait you out or the GM saying they would have rolled back if there was exploits which there actually was and confirmed by our Hookmiester himself with that command? Hmmm interesting.
How can we spin this one now? It’s established now that players weren’t denying exploits but the GM do. What a tweest~
This is also why I am for a server wipe after they fix bugs ect.
First: You claim that a lot of players are denying the existence of exploits.
Second: You bring back existent issues and things that people complained a lot.
Third: You quote a post containing a player QUOTING a GM answer.
Then, according to the greatest goddess of the universe:
Now it’s only one person denying the existence of exploits. And that’s based on a quoted answer from GM which the player relayed to the community.
Right, you could have understood it or used your divine powers to make an illusion into a real and tangible fact.
Oh wait, you did acknowledge that the GM replied it. So you know the user didn’t deny exploits, right?
About the GM denying exploits, I don’t like it, I prefer when things are open and sincere. But I also agree that the community sometimes put up some high scale exploits that may not always be the case. Who knows? I don’t like it but it’s not up for me to judge since I don’t have logs and tools.
Now could tell me where are the people denying those bugs existed? Really, everyone knows and complains about them.
That’s the only thing I have to discuss with you here.
If you’re putting on fake things to support your argument, expect it to be debunked. Simply enough right? Or do you agree that people acknowledge the existence of such exploits and things? Or still thinks that people are denying bugs, exploits and issues? If yes could you quote someone who did that?
B-but, after all the discussion, you magically brings the ace out of the sleeve:
“I wasn’t talking about players denying exploit, I meant the GMs”
And, my magically shining answer on that is already written on my post.
Case closed, Mr. Rabbit Hunter. I’m not in favor of server wipes, but that’s another discussion and I’m all for discussions, as long there are no fake data and logical fallacies.
So, you changed your whole argument into a valid one that can be discussed.
Players aren’t denying exploits, but GMs are, based on that answer. This can be a whole discussion because there are a lot of things involved.
Did they really deny? Did they not? Was it about all exploits? Was it about specific ones? Do we have the tools, facts or data to check and make sure exploits were ignored or denied?
Congrats! Now you just need to stop making logical fallacies and bringing false claims into discussions, way to go!
They were not specific about which exploits they were referring too, it could have been a minor rumour here on the forums, maybe it was one of the bigger ones, until there’s confirmation don’t jump to conclusions.
I’d also like to bring the Crash->Practonium issue here. Some people may or may not like how it was handled. But I honestly liked the solution.
They did ban the players who abused the bug to have multiple rolls on Mystical Cube to get Practonium. The whole bug was to crash a channel right after one person opened the Mystical Cube.
IMC was smart by looking at something that proves that the person abused the crash issue to benefit one main, even if using one alternative account.
They could have punished who crashed channels or applied more sanctions, maybe they just wanted to be forgiving for who didn’t benefit directly from the issue. I also don’t have the tools to say that people who claimed to be innocent “I only opened once and got banned” stuff are right or not.
But for sure we know. It was one exploit. GMs were aware and handled it. It wasn’t denied nor ignored.
But they have never rolled back ever and channel crashing has been around quite possibly since launch. So somebody if not multiple have abused this the whole time since it was actually figured out almost a year later just how bad this problem actually was in reality.
It persisted for at least six months minimum that is for sure. They thought they fixed it back in July/August because here is the fan fare post actually directed towards Max:
Then here is the Staff response about cube exploit:
Your post with him saying that is 29 days ago which was AFTER all this happened. There’s no specifying needed here and basically saying there is not a need for a wipe because there hasn’t ever been any bad exploits. This is what I mean here like really? How can you even defend that.
Not defending, but finding the failed relation between the two facts:
They fixed how the crashes affected equipment enhancement with anvils.
Since you clearly aren’t a developer and as well don’t know the inner workings of the game, you deserve a discount: Anvil enhancement and opening a consumable item have different mechanics.
The things could be in totally different parts in unrelated source code files. I agree, they should have checked more parts of code to fix all the things a crash can affect. But they might not have the manpower yet to do things like this and maybe don’t have a well documented tree.
But again, none of those were denied or ignored, they were handled twice. At maximum they weren’t handled completely. So, are you changing the topic of discussion again?
You would advocate wiping the entire server, because a very few players have an advantage? IMC should go and fix the problems they haven’t fixed yet, that’s fine, but it’s ridiculous that you think rolling back entire servers would help the game. The vast, vast majority of players would be against a server wipe.
As for severity, the extent in which they damaged the game is questionable, and incredibly difficult for us to confirm. Rolling back a server is not something that can be easily considered.
I mean don’t most games roll back when there’s really bad exploits? What happens when there’s another one found out does TOS just keep rolling forward forever? I can’t speak for the over forty thousand people that evaporated in the past year but I’m gonna say when you read the threads about this stuff say they are leaving if there’s no fixes or roll backs. But I do agree most of the remaining people left are pretty much bomb proof donkey’s that are clinging on to what ever keeps them tied to the game not wanting a wipe.
But that’s only if you believe the Steam chart thing which I know you personally are like an avid denier of that one and prolly still think hundreds of thousands of people login every day that ToS is fine.
And when the exploits didn’t impact too much the game or wasn’t totally really bad? Can you post any example of a game rolling back so we can compare how bad are the issues compared to what happened in TOS?
Also, I played since iCBT and start of the beta. I was never in favor of rollbacks, even when TOS had the most players. But for you, someone who don’t even play the game, it’s pretty easy to ask rollbacks every day, right?
Can you quote any post where the person you answer to did deny the steam charts? Or are you the greatest goddess that forces thoughts and actions into others again?
Also, what happened to the claim about GMs denying exploits? Is the point of discussion magically shifted into “IMC should rollback TOS”?
Comparible to Boletto and I am pretty sure Neverwinter is another kinda dead game. It instantly ruined this game on launch and no idea why the link stopped working for some reason.
We don’t know the extent to which the exploits damaged the game, and you certainly don’t roll a server back months, if at all, that’s absolutely insane.
If you think there are 3000 players that play 24/7 you are delusional. If you take low play time accounts away, basically people who launch the game once, or only for a few hours total (up to 10 in this case), you are left with around 20000 players, take at most 30% off for bots (even though that’s ridiculous but at most that’s the amount based on the Steam accounts who own TOS), and you’re left with 14000 active players in the past two weeks. If you deny that, then you’re intellectually dishonest, and completely ignorant to the entire gaming genre and player trends.
(14000 players is bad by the way and it clearly shows a problem with retention).
I’ve had this discussion with @ophiuchu multiple times, he has to make an effective counter argument.
