Sacrament & Last Rites Crowd Data Sourcing

thebatotot · May 27, 2016, 8:07am

There has been debates and speculations to the actual effects of Last Rites and how it scales with Sacrament but there are not enough testing to support the claims. Testing would have been easier back in the closed beta with the unlimited Skill Resets but Chaplain wasn’t available back then. So for the quest for knowledge and the lack of personal resources, we turn to crowd data sourcing.

With enough data samples we can finally shed light to the undocumented effects of Last Rites with respect to Sacrament. All you have to do is share 4 variables:

Sacrament Level: Self-explanatory. It should be your Sacrament skill level at the time of testing
Last Rites Level: Self-explanatory. It should be your Last Rites skill level at the time of testing
Last Rites Holy Damage: The additional Holy damage when Last Rites is in effect WITHOUT Sacrament buff. Please note that the value we need here is from the Last Rites effect only, subtract any additional Holy damage you may have gotten from items.
Last Rites Holy Damage(HP Triggered): The additional damage you receive when the HP goes below a certain level(40% without attributes). The value we are looking for is the additional damage when the effect triggers. For example, if the additional damage when Last Rites is used is 15, and the total holy damage when the HP triggers the effect is 18, then the Last Rites Holy Damage(HP Triggered) will be 3.

Once enough data samples are gathered and after some data validation, I will publish the results for the community to use for future reference.

I have speculations of my own and your’s are welcome on the comments, but please keep the discussions on track and maintain order and avoid any violent debates. The truth shall descend upon us once this data sourcing is accomplished.

Thank you for your time and interest.

Link to the Crowd Data Sourcing: Sacrament & Last Rites Crowd Data Sourcing

-IGN: Himegami, 177 Chaplain, Telsiai Server

p.s. be sure to leave a comment if you participated so the thread will get bumped at the top so we can get more traffic and participation

thebatotot · May 26, 2016, 11:43pm

Reserved for Results

thebatotot · May 27, 2016, 2:59pm

sad, no activity whatsoever, i tried

wenoweon · May 27, 2016, 3:14pm

Watch this…

thebatotot · May 27, 2016, 3:43pm

thanks for the link, i’ve seen those videos as well and i have the general idea of how things work, i do play as a chaplain and have done my own testing, but the video along with most of the “facts” we see on the forum is not supported by numerical proof, you could say that his damage values can be a basis, but those are affected by multiple variables, what this crowdsourcing’s goal is to see the effect in it’s most basic form

thebatotot · June 1, 2016, 5:51am

if only bots were capable of participating we would have gotten about a thousand sample by now

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 6:55am

Hi dude, I’m going to reset my skills now and test Last Rites (LR) lvl 1 with each level of Sacrament (SAC) from 1 to 10.

I made this sheet before the reset so let me know if there’s some additional data you want that i’m not gathering before i reset and do the tests.

All tests done without any gear; My level is 130; physical atk 140-140; Target monster = Kowak (from forest of prayer)

Later on i’ll also test LR lvl 2 and 3 in comparison to LR lvl 1, but I won’t be able to do every test for each level of sacrament (because i’d need more skill reset pots). So I’ll only test it with SAC lvl 10.

If you want I can include tests with a weapon but I feel the damage oscilation might be a problem.

Please let me know if this data is enough so i can reset and start the testing!

thebatotot · June 1, 2016, 7:34am

what a life saver

give me a few minutes to organize the data needed
######i’m actually at work

edit:
check table below:

from what i understand, you can get the data needed on the blue highlighted cells, and since you can only test subsequent levels of LR on a lvl 10 Sacrament, you won’t be able to get the values on red, but the values on blue would be enough
**note that the Holy Damage with HP Triggered Bonus i am looking for here is different from the one i asked on the form, this one would be the base Holy Damage added by the bonus, while the one i asked on the form was the bonus damage alone

*Holy Property Attack value, if you would please get the value from Last Rites alone, don’t use Sacrament as it will add it’s own bonus and avoid wearing equipment that contains additional Holy damage

thanks @mrshadowccg

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 7:58am

Got it, I might take a while with the tests but i’ll keep you updated as much as I can.

EDIT:
I’ve noticed something very interesting.

Once the < 40% effect triggers, it doesn’t matter your hp anymore. You can heal back up to 100% health and you’ll stay with the < 40% bonus. The bonus will last until LR duration wears off.

furkingbustar · June 1, 2016, 8:05am

i dont get it how come your sac hit is changing it should be flat dmg.

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 8:16am

Tests from lvl 0 and lvl 1 sac prove interesting:
Last Rites assumes your sacrament is level 1 if it’s level 0.

I got exactly same results with SAC 0 or 1 (for LR alone).

“Stat Holy” stands for the “Holy property attack” read in the character sheet.

The damage from before reset at SAC lvl 10 was so much higher… lol. But then again, it could just be flat damage increase so…

furkingbustar · June 1, 2016, 8:24am

looking at the numbers its either you get sac or last rite?
since last rite is only 5 lvls, i think last rite is the skill to get.

then the whole sacrament skill pts can be replace with aspersion for aspergillum. which should have bigger modifier to your dmg.

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 9:06am

I think quite the opposite?

Sacrament is increasing last rite’s holy damage as well.

Well if it’s sacra or aspersio I have no idea, but sacra is surely increasing damage for last rites.

thebatotot · June 1, 2016, 9:11am

based on your data so far for sac0-2 lr1, it seems that the bonus from HP trigger is not percentage based but flat, can’t wait to see the data up to SAC10 and LR5

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 9:12am

Sadly I won’t be able to get LR to 5, only up to 3 cause I won’t have enough skill points…

thebatotot · June 1, 2016, 9:14am

oh is that so? well i guess we can manage with the data up to LR5 and just do some projection for 4 and 5, thanks again

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 9:15am

Tables from Sacra 3 to 8:

(I will upload everything in excel format when I’m done)

<img src="/uploads/default/original/3X/3/8/38c92dc1cad294c403112d3e5e48d88301887008.png" width=“546” height=“500”

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 9:17am

It’s quite amazing how the numbers oscilate.

I have no idea why the SAC hit doesn’t oscilate with both SAC and LR at 100% HP but it oscilates when HP is below 40%.

krocsyl · June 1, 2016, 9:38am

I think the Sac hit and LR hit are mixed up in your tables (left side only)

It seems LS works the same way sacrament does. It does just have a higher base dmg und scales slightly better (not even 1 per lvl better)

the 40% buff seems to increase the LS buff by 20% (with rounding)

mrshadowccg · June 1, 2016, 9:39am

I thought that as well, maybe the numbers switch orders when the 40% buff triggers?

I’m just considering the LR hit to be the last number displayed.