Im getting confuse , if we have enougth magic atack we can deal similar damage with ice blast than IW+PP?
Ice Wall and PP and Ice blast interaction are different.
Ice Wall + PP = When hitting ice wall it throws 3 shards per tick of damage at wall. This shards go on multiple ways and impact with 1 AoE attack ratio, 1 per target. Therefore if enemy recieved all shards, you are doing 3 time shard damage and 100% MATK per shard. Shard are projectiles so you are interesed in having the monsters in one direction but not on top of you.
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Ice Wall + Ice blast = deals damage to nearby enemies which I strongly believe is 1 AoE attack ratio too. Deals 1 tick of damage per Ice blast. You need to have enemies as close as possible to the ice wall, preferably on top, so they stop moving and attacking if you are far enough from their autoattack range.
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When casting PP you can throw multiple shards at a target, and it’s pretty easy to deal more damage than the ice blast combo. For example:
8 ice walls 20hp. 20 ticks of PP on 8 walls throwing 3 shards each per tick is 480 shards. Which is a lot more damage than;
Ice Wall + Ice blast: 8 walls 3hp consumed by ice blast, ice blast on 3 overheat. 8 * 3 = 24 hits which can deal double the damage than 1 ice wall shard because it’s attributable.
If you can hit all shards PP + Ice wall is always better. I wouldn’t consider them as using one or the other, and even more cryo3, ice walls lasts more than PP, you can use both. The ice blast change was more directed to Cryo users without PP; who didn’t want to take a kino rank.
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this combo is pretty nice as i see but im not sure is it needs to have maybe a linker on the build as i see on the video down, and if it need linker how many ranks can be enought just one?
Do you consider Cryo3 Kino1 Link1 rc1 sage1/enchanter1 build is a good idea?
also, I dont know what works better for icewall pp combo, sage’s micro dimension, or enchanter’s enchant lightning…
As far as i know, sage microdimension created ice walls don’t shoot shards, so in that case enchanter would increase PP+Ice Wall damage the most.
I do not consider a cryoexclusive build a good DPS idea for soloing / competition. I did mine cause i have monk3 friends and guildmates. It does require also a lot of investment in gear to deal similar damage to other higher rank Classes, cause you have a really low skill base attack value.
I haven’t tried Link + Ice Wall/Blast combo, i guess it works, since it solves the problem of the 1 AoE attack ratio on Ice Blast, but remember to always link before casting icewall or you gonna ■■■■ up your combo.
AS for how many linker ranks you can get, well, it all depends on how many other things are you willing to give up for linker. If i’d do it, i would go link1 and try to get 1 dandel gem for 6 linked mobs, but i would’t invest more.
Bear in mind also, enchanter and Cryo3 work great togheter as “Supportive Build”, since when you freeze targets, if you get attribute, they take +50% damage from lightning, and enchant lightning makes melee and ranged attacks lightning property.
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Hey there. Your post is a life saver and yes im one of those interested in the ice blast combo. I created a non meta build of wiz3cryo3 with the intention of dmg+utility but neither a top dps or a pure support. I have asked this question everywhere without getting a response. Since you have first hand experience with cryo3 and ice blast. I want to ask:
Should i take kino for pp on my icewall… Great dmg for boss and aoe, long cd, need proper setup.
Or linker for ice tree link blast combo ? Not sure if the dmg is meh like that. But linker is good utility as well.
Basically my choices after wiz3cryo3 is rank 7 kino/link and rank 8 sage/ enchanter. Is enchanter worth just for enchant lightning? Or sage for MH
Edit: Also would u take more than 1 lvl iceblast??
I’m wiz3cryo3runecaster1thauma1.
I’m thauma exclusively for self buffing my railgun and i would never pick it up.
If i ever were to change thauma to something less of a meme, i may as well go kino because my ice wall deals a shitton of damage with rune of ice. 2 days ago i did 290 with a monk3. We killed armaos (2,5M HP monster with i think 600-800) MDEF, in less than a second for sure, and i’d say 0,4 seconds.
We were faded and could set it up easily.
For this reason i’m going to ask you: What do you want on your build?.
If you want burst damage i would go rune caster and kino next ranks.
Rune caster gives you 1/3 uptime on +300% ice damage, which is really big.
If you want more utility, as sage or enchanter: Sage if the classic missile hole, it’s great, and awesome, and you also get portals.
If you combine Having missile hole + Subzero shield, you will be dodging ranged attacks and freezing melee attackers. Looks like a good self defensing combo.
I think microdimension ice walls do not trigger shards, i think i tried it before, when r8 was released, but i have noidea if it has been changed or i’m wrong about it. But i’m pretty sure it triggers Ice blast damage.
For enchanter: you have a possible free buff selling shop, which may give you some AFK money i guess, you don’t really have any useful scrollable skill, i think you could scroll MM but i don’t know if there would be buyer
But the most important reason to pick enchanter would be for me the “Freezing attribute” and Enchant lightning, giving your teammates a 50% damage boost pretty much against all frozen enemies, in which remember, it excludes bosses. bosses can’t be frozen.
As for rank7: I would personally go Rune Caster, really.
First reason is, it has been buffed on Ktos for even less cooldowns, and teh anouncement has been made on our ToS too, so the buffs may come soon. This makes the already strong and powerfull runes less cooldown.
Rune caster skills are all about killing a big number of mobs, and since you have Frozen Pillar + Sleep, getting monsters togheter stack them up and use rune of destruction or new rune of justice should be easy and effective.
As for Linker, i have not ever tried linker with cryo, but it’s a safe pick since you are wizard3 already, so you have the Magic Missile bomb.
Whatever you pick it has it’s pros, but of course you will have left something else out.
I hope this few Pros on each class guide you a little.
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Hey thanks for the response. Detailed response there and i really appreciate the insights. Basically sage mh and subzero is what made me choose sage in the first place. Blocking range and reducing melee dmg. Enchanter is less attractive since the lightning only works on frozen mobs and not bosses obviously, but what makes it even less attractive is because i have a squire hahahah.
For rc… The long cd is what throws me off. And as far as i know it only boost ice skills and is most useful if coupled with a kino.
So iceblast 1 is enough yea? And if i create new icewalls via microdimension, will it expire together with the old walls or start with its own duration?
Since I am not Sage, i cannot answer that question right now. Try to get a Cryo3Chrono3Sage in game to test ice wall + dimension interactions, don’t know if it takes into account the +10s duration from the new attribute. That will enlighten you better than me. Also, share your discoveries here please 
It’s better lvl 1 ice blast, or if you want, try to put as much as you can WITHOUT taking points from other important skills. Cryomancers direct offensive skills (ice bolt, ice pike, ice blast, gust) don’t escale that well with skill level.
Any ideas where i can find the cd buffs for rune caster? Our announcement only includes rune of giants available skills.
When comparing the Rune caster skills in the Korean and our database, you see diferences in CD, element and overheat. It is in the korean patch too, you’d need to translate.
On this post it mentions all skill changes that have been happening for korea these last months:
This post is now no longer being changed i think, since last English patch on the 27th of December of 2016.
If you look at rune caster, those are the translation and information from korean database. As for example this one:
https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skills/21304 compared to https://tos.neet.tv/skills/21304
Rune of justice being holy and on 2 overheat.
That actually looks interestig. Wondwr if taking kino rc will make me lose out alot for not having sage. Btw really hate the fact that teleportation doesnt work with mouse mode cos i heard keyboard can choose the direction. Now kino just feels like its only for pp
with the cryo>kino>rc combo you have one of the strogest brst damage of the game, and with the cryo yo can deal well with the mobs, but sometimes this will be a problem, thats the think.
@pereyraibz with your current buid i ask to my self how you deal with the high hp mobs? this is ever the problem i see with cryo becase not have many area skills.
“I grind in parties bringing CC (ice tree / snow ball / sleep) and since i am full int thauma i transpose to have 90k HP and shrink body enemies to do less damage”.
As for soloing, i either use Rune of ice + Snow Rolling + SP POT to deal around 300k AoE, or SP pot + Rune of destruction or SP pot + Ice blast on top of ice wall on single target… (sp pot for my chappa proc)
It’s a low damage build compared to many other classes, so you will have a lot of problem to deal with big mobs.
You have some party utility, but less than a cryo3chrono3sage. I just thank god people accept me in their party and just show them my railgun whenever I can, so they understand that my shitty build can actually fill 1 role.
I must repeat: I AM NOT CRYO KINO, I’m a railgun builder, a build design to reach all possible self buffs (Quick Cast [50%] and Transpose + Animus as Full int [I am legit 0 CON all INT]), with the maximum amount of ice walls possible. So Wiz3, thauma1 and Cryo3 are a must for my purpose, and RC1 for rune of ice, even thought it could be given to me via another RC.
So i do not know if Cryokinos have as many problems as I had leveling. But i’m pretty sure if you simply cast Frozen pillar, then teleport away, create ice wall fast, use quick cast, and finally Phsychic Pressure (sp pot if you have chappa cards), you should be able to do with some what big mobs.
I saw this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdtxeV5Ui3I
So, is this combo better than ice wall + PP?
Maybe something like this would work well:
What are you guys opinion?
I already said it: PP + Ice wall deals more damage, simply becasue of the amount of “hits” possible. You can shoot like 1000 ice wall shards if done properly, with monk, ice blast you cna max do 60.
For example, i do 1,5M on dullahan with Ice blast + Ice wall
I can one shot dullahan in less than the duration of an Energy blast, and that 12M.
Hey all, I just see new changes from ktos and here is a video that shows ice blast is stronger now but this could be better than IW+PP ? Maybe we can leave now kino for get better combos
Necromancer here, waking up thread.
I’m playing now Cryo3Ele3 Rc1
My ice blast reaches 200k damage on 7,5k MATK and 60 attribute points. A great new combo is Cryo + Elementalist (electrocute). Enoying the build a lot so far. Also freezing sphere is increased via rune of ice, so it also deals around 240k with that matk and rune. Electrocute can deal massive damage on frozen targets, and by massive, that is 700k. About ice shards, they are stronger than before for me. Shards have always been 100% MATK, and now that base MATK is higher cause of wepaons and int scaling, they should be stronger.
I love how Cryomancer can now shine in damage. Ice blast is more fun to use now.
Also adding this here if anyone else curious.
Ice Wall + Ice Blast now will only proc once no matter how many walls you have.