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@PrinceMark after reading your discussion I think I’m going P3 rather than div. If i may ask can you please suggest what level of sacrament and blessing should i get?
Thanx!
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Have you tried duel? Vs mage, archer, cata3, monk diev? If your a priest they just chase you and kill you u dont have anything to do either you go charge in and die. Your 10 blocks sz wont save you even those 5x2 heal tile wont help… u cant even charge your eb since one poke will end the charging… In diev its called area of control its suicide if they go into your statues aoe (lamia, world tree) if they dont go in you can freely cast your eb. Now how about in gvg or group pvp? Those melee are sitting ducks they cant get close while ur range members can hit them. If there range hit those in statue they can just back down you cant chase them while the statue is up ull die. You can 100% uptime lamia and also it reduces all your members skill 20% while slowing then adding cd to those enemy inside. You can also heal statue if they focus on it
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again. not everyone thinks the same way as you do.
That number is not up for debate. It’s a fact. Have less and see your Stone Skin being useless.
and who the fck told you to do so?
If you’re suggesting someone going for Priest3 then you’re telling them to do so.
but again, every cleric starts at cleric C1 which ofc have safezone. why
do you even argue about safezone when every cleric has it?
And again Cleric1 SZ is sht.
DID YOU SEE YOUR POST? here… blablabla i think you need to visit a PSYCHO THE RAPIST… i mean PsycoTheRapist.
Because I misspelled/resumed/ didn’t express myself well after I detailed the whole calculation and number behind it you dare to accuse me of not knowing about the skill? That is in fact desperate attempt to troll. Why don’t you try to fix my calculation on the previous post about it? Please, look for help.
what does DM have to do with this? ?_?
Because you were arguing +20 damage of Priest3 was better, so I told you to calculate Divine Might Cleric2 has.
Why? are you that desperate to bring down Priest C3? you are comparing builds base on rank 4? dude its rank 7 already and rank 8 is near coming! why are you confining yourself on 4 ranks? just to prove Priest C3 is useless? or stone skin is useless? or Diev is better than Pc3? well, fyi, rank 7 is open now! you can get Priest c3 and Diev c3 if you want! duh!
your whole point is base on 4 ranks. which is pointless coz currently is already rank 7. Obviously.
Not at all. I think C1P3 has it’s place like I said in PvP. Just don’t try to bring it to PvE with false pretences. If OP asks about ET, answer accordantly. You should have not even mention Monk for it.
The only reason I stuck with 4ranks is to help with your argument about Monk build.
I could easily add more ranks to it but would only get worst for you. Btw, I already gave full build for OP with 2 other guides backing it up.
Oh really? blablabla You have NO IDEA how monk works. yet you pretend to be a smart ass about monk. good job!
Actually you just proved yourself wrong once again.
Energy blast has high CD and you beg to have 20%CDR for it.
If your double punch has 10 splash damage report it, it’s bugged. It should hit less than 1/3 of that. So no, you can’t spam 10 counts 10 splash constantly. Get your math straight.
What the fck? No damage skills? what do you call sacrament and
blessing damage buff? or you mean “ACTIVE DAMAGE ORIENTED SKILL”??? and you honestly admit that you actually compare 1 priest skill VS 3 diev skills
What is there more to compare? Sacrament is what +40 damage? You realise how naive you sound? Both Sac and Bless aren’t just worthless because you can buy buffs but because they also fall off really hard endgame. They don’t scale at all. The higher level worst it gets.
And yes again, ofc I’ll consider all Diev skills. Why wouldn’t I?
where did i post that? i never posted about C2D2 or C2P2! what the fck dude ur seeing things! change of plans… ur not going to the sychoTheRapist! you need to go to waste management!
Do you see how low you going with your arguments insulting me instead of giving a clear message and addressing the problems I list?
You didn’t post C2D2 or C2P2, I did and you replied about it. That’s how it works. Read more talk less.
again… current max rank is 7! SEVEN! why the fck are you confining urself on rank 4???
It doesn’t matter. Just as you can get a rank to complement damage you lack I could get another rank doing the same or better. It doesn’t justify how weak your first 4 ranks are.
what? dude i posted that video to show everyone that P3>Chaplain works. Period. and it WORKS.
I dont give a fck if ur butthurt about me proving u wrong but whatever.
Awesome we agree again, it works. But it’s not ideal for ET.
Again, Chaplain pick is to give option for easy solo time.
Don’t fool yourself to think you’re picking Chaplain thinking about party play.
You could get much better build instead without it.
Let’s take the build someone posted with other options:
C2 / P3 / PD / Chap
C2 / P1 / PD / Di3
C2 / P1 / PD / Di2 / Dr1
C2 / P1 / PD / K3
Priest2+3+Chap utility and damage is bullsh*t compared to others in PvE (ET, WB, etc).
Even Krivis3 performs better with all the damage/buffs/debuffs it brings.
Also don’t say Chaplain or Diev can’t solo. It’s embarrassing.
Go take a look what other guides/people suggests for PvE before coming with your PvP Monk.
Thank you! you just proved revive strong after you posted
I said that in first post didn’t I?
Let’s recap: “Why pick Priest over Diev? Revive+Resurrection.”
But no, it’s not necessary for ET. Res is.
I dont get you man…
I’m sorry, try reading again
REVIVE LEVEL 6 at PRIEST CIRCLE 2? are you going to DENY this again?
You forget Cleric2 have Divine Might.
Same way we can have lv11 Heal, lv6 Res, lv6 Mass Heal, lv11 bless, lv6 sac, energy bean, one inch, etc
Just got to choose where you want to invest the extra level.
5 charges in 27s CD without CDR.
Lelz thats the main issue with dievs buffs. also in pvp enemies who are familiar with dev owl DPS will just avoid it or do a range aoe attack. a party relying on a diev buff will surely compact themselves on the owl range making them a sitting duck target.
Have you tried to PvP against Diev? You should. Range is deceiving, the zoning is absurd, you got Safety to help set up. Not to say you’re not playing alone. Anyway, try to get through silence statue, slow statue and damage statue then you tell us your “experience”.
You again started talking about PvP. Go to another thread. Make a new one. This is ET, PvE focus.
oh, sorry then… omfg… -_______-"
Yet you did it again. What a fool. I’m done with you.
The information is there for who needs it.
Got no intention of trying to help you any longer.
If you don’t get it by now it’s a lost cause.
Edit:
In first post I linked 3 people talking about Stone Skin and Priest3.
Here is another one. HF!
Its not an assumption its a fact. When i say priest its a priest monk do i have to compelete everything for you to understand? Clearly you dont duel a lot to know your class weakness. One spin to win is all it takes to kill a priest monk and this is not assumption its a fact unless you have a high con ur pretty much dead. Yeah a party of priest monk archers and wiz
Vs statues archers and wiz think who will push thru… And please try to use 1st a diev to know exactly what im saying you should gvg a lot vs 240++ char… And yah popular? No wonder people are crying in those 5x2 heal tiles again this is a fact ask around those who level in storage level 262 map and above not saying its impossible to level but still 
And please for the love of God stop saying assumption is that your favorite word? Stop trolling or starting a flame. We’re here to guide people not start a war. Zzzz
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While I appreciate the responses, the derailment is of epic proportions.
PvP is not a concern.
Monk builds are not a concern ( because monks are hot garbage to me - no offense to anyone who plays them).
There is little discussion on the merits and weighing between a spirit stone skin build and high int builds with diev.
And like I mentioned, there is also the possibility of going priest 3 into diev 2 with high spirit but that seems to be too much of a split and you would also be giving up plague doctor.
The problem I see with Stone skin comes from giving up :
- Any ranged DPS due to low int
- main stat scaling bonuses
- Over half of heal tile efficiency
- build flexibility
All this for stone skin.
Priest 3 isnt worth it without stone skin. You don’t need more than level 5 revive and even then revive is more of a cute trick with a long cd, reliant on group players using it right.
Blessing and sacrament are almost dead skills late game. Mass heal is okay but you could be grabbing AOE invul instead.
For a full support build, priest 3 is starting to look more of a one trick pony gimmick once you consider the other choices and toys you could have instead.
In a vacuum it looks good, once you consider your options, not so much imho.
Ultimately, it comes down to the following comparisons for high end PvE full support scenarios :
vs
vs
Currently, the last build seems to be the best choice for full support efficiency and versatility in my mind, due to the issues a stone skin build creates.
I am still on the fence about diev 3 and maybe going priest 2 instead for revive and a weaksauce mass heal. I’d however be giving up owl dmg, uptime, tree levels AND the last statue. Doesn’t sound like a good trade.
@Calcifar If you’re high SPR (to justify stone skin) I’d add Cleric 2 > Krivis > Priest 3 > PD/Kabba/Oracle even if you’re planning on buying Daino scrolls, as a possible contender. Zalciai would significantly increase crit damage (great for high dex friends). Crit rate improved if placed on monsters (also a debuff if you’re going PD), and it can give up to 48 magic amp with cheap attribute for your wiz friends.
@kittytrooper
what about something like this? http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/2sr39rgwkd/ (maybe c2 instead of krivis?)Planning to reskill blessing later and putting more points into asp and maybe sac?.. stats going for mostly spirit then con with some int. like maybe 4:2:1? or 2:2:1? i am not sure yet.
I don’t want to follow the band wagon and go pd i’m trying to think of upcoming ranks and chancing for fortune teller.
To be honest I don’t know much about Chaplain. My point was only that Krivis will work well in high SPR builds because of Zalciai (and obviously Daino, unless you’re planning to buy scrolls). My opinion: I would keep Krivis in your path, especially if you are ever planning to PVP/GVG.
I refer you to some popular threads where you can probably find everything you need
I will look into it some more, for me I always like to play the utility/bard/dancer w/e type of support and I’m getting closer and closer to finishing p3 ( class level 12 at the moment :x). I just think if i got rid of chaplain for c2 then i would be too support-like to where peeps wouldn’t really want for later cause they’ll be lacking damage, or vice versa they might not want me cause i don’t have c2 xD?
edit: well that is what I am getting through all the other threads ( not chaplain one can’t read those till later or tomorrow)
Not trying to take sides here, but why does he need to create it when there’s people in the thread saying the same thing?
I haven’t read the entire thing but here’s what I know:
About Stone Skin
-Chaps fall out without spr late game. Monsters have higher block penetration while you have the same block from not increasing spr. Even with 100 SPR, you’ll be only raising your SPR more and more when higher level caps come out. Seeing the trend of things, you’re not going to need a linear increase of SPR, it’s more along the lines of exponential. 1-200 is beginner mode, so disregard everything you know about the monsters from 1-200.
About Blessing/Sacrament and any other priest attacking buffs:
-Blessing falls out late game, everybody knows this. You shouldn’t be counting it as 1500 *170. You’re not going to be dealing 150 hits on a single monster, especially in ET. The hits are going to be spread amongst every kill you make, so you’ll be dealing a max of maybe 20-40 hits on each mobs. Each monster takes an additional 5k-10k. That isn’t much when you’re doing higher level stuff.
Also, 25k might seem alot at earlier levels, because it is. But after 200, an extra 25k spread over 150 hits is not a lot (especially when monster hp will keep rising with future level caps).
On missions it MIGHT SEEM like it’s a lot seeing all your blessing hits are focused on 1 or 2 monsters, but it’s not. If you want more information, check out my thread regarding PD.
For a dps/support build, at max I would recommend is priest c1 for ressurection. With priest c2, you’re going to sacrificing something you shouldn’t be
Good thing I saw this thread before playing… was going to make a Cleric2/Priest3/Chaplain/PD for full support but it seems like this is not really a viable build for full support. Stone Skin doesnt seem worth it after reading a few thread about block penetration from monster is too high for Stone Skin to be effective, and bumping high SPR just to lose out on the Int for heals doesnt seem worth it too.
Can anyone recommend me a full support Cleric build thats viable end game for PVE (Earth Tower).
cleric2 -> diev3 -> druid2 seems pretty standard for end game pve
Hiya, sorry for the late response.
Stone Skin is great. Really, a wonderful buff, and any mitigation is appreciated. Especially since it allows you to block without a shield or anything.
It is pretty spirit reliant. I end up advocating FS Cleric builds to go spirit heavy and just let their spirit do all the scaling for the block, saving them four points from the base increase on Stone Skin (yes, I tell people to leave it at level one).
Melee damage can still hurt, and a lot of magic at the endgame is actually physical (very deceptive). Arrows frequently kill players too, so being able to block is nifty.
If we’re talking Earth Tower, it’s usually magic that will kill you, where Stone Skin will not save you. But, it’s one extra layer of defense between you and dying, so it does not hurt to have.
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@PrinceMark
It’s just sad how you think insulting helps in any way or how you keep defending Priest3 or how you think Monk3 are even worth mentioning to someone only interested in ET.
I speak of my own lv280 experiences and I’ll always use others statements to get extra pair of eyes and give much stronger base for my own statements. That’s called being smart, well founded, reliable. I wouldn’t come here talk about something I don’t understand or have no experience with. Got no desire for attention or deception.
I also don’t have any interest to prove anything to you. You’re welcome to go through my profile and check how many times and for how long I’ve addressed Priest3 damage/utility or other monk builds. I won’t discuss any of those things with you any more. You already got more from me than you deserve.
@Calcifar
Don’t go more than Priest1. Only reason I mentioned Priest2 was in a Monk build against a Priest3 build. I don’t really know what else would be more valuable in a Cleric2Priest1Monk3 build. (I really wanted res)
You better off going further into Diev. Definitely.
@Veritas
Keep in mind OP’s asking how much he has to give up for that. If he has better options.
Edit:
Chrono3 Backmasking video if anyone interested:
Though 5min CD is brutal. Can’t rely in just that.
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Hmmm, I’m not sure if people really would really care that much… Maybe someone else can answer that question
If you’re taking chaplain for damage reasons with full SPR I don’t know how effective that is (sorry I just don’t know much about that class lol).
For an archer (high dex) someone did a small test on full SPR Zalciai. It raised critical damage output by about 15-25% depending on the type of monster. For myself on my cleric with no dex, the effect on crit rate is very noticeable and it boosted my crit damage by 50% ._. So that’s basically a glimpse of the additional damage your SPR Chaplain would need to compensate for (if you’re thinking of exchanging Krivis for Chaplain) which I have no idea if it does or doesn’t.