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The early access needs an EU server

Yep it’s true srry for boring.

In the FAQ they seem to always talk in plural but let’s wait for an official notice which I hope will come soon.
But considering CBT had 4 and they were overwhelmed I think EA will have accomodate even more players.

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Valid. Commonsense

Invalid. There are hundreds of MMOs out there and most of them have it within their rules to use english in global chats. Just because you can speak more languages, it does not mean you should be using everything EXCEPT english.
Btw im not english either. Do you see me writing hungarian or german on the forums?

Makes no sense no matter what. Its an mmo, it is by design overcrowded.

Makes even less sense. Following this logic we could ask for totally random **** because we want attention from the devs. You should really remove this from your list because you were exactly one step from writing attention ***ing.

One of the most beautiful things about gaming is that cultural differences do not matter. What matters is the game. In essence: Americans/Asians/etc care about the exact same things Europeans/etc care about: Drops, bosses, playing.

Really? We have to make a crowd rally for the devs to just as much as consider giving us an EU server and you think they are really going to localize support for the game? Not even you can think this seriously.

I read a few mentions of this, but i think the people who are AGAINST having an EU server escaped me… who is against an EU serv… no let me raise the bar a bit: Who is against the EU server and is sane at the same time?
Because unhinged little dips*** psychopaths i do not care about.
Having an EU server will reduce the grief about pings, events and what not by extreme amounts. Anyone who is against this is either mentally retarded or is trolling. There is no actual argument against this.

Btw im not attacking you, but i would like to point out that adding random **** to a perfectly reasonable argument is counterproductive. It gives more room for strawman counterarguments and whatnot.

The issue is this simple: NA server only = **** ping, connection issues, trouble with time zone both within the community and in regards of events.
There is no need to add random crap to this.

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Firstly. It’s ‘a lot’ you don’t say ‘acat’ or ‘adog’ so don’t say ‘alot’. You should cut that habit whilst you’re young.

Secondly, I’m not being a hypocrite. I’m keeping to the subject whilst you are complaining about complainers complaining and are constantly derailing the topic to have a personal cry. See the redundancy in your actions? I guess you don’t because you’re continuously behaving pretty stupidly.

Anyway moaning about people moaning on a forum is like complaining that people are making noise in a hospital from being in pain. Forums are for discussions of all sorts and for people with issues to get help and support for them. You need to get that through your head.

As for the narcissist remark? What’s your address, I can have someone send you a free dictionary. You definitely need one.

God all these people who think that another person’s opinion, is invalid when in reality it’s just your opinion vs. mine and yours is no more valid or invalid than mine is. The fact that we have a difference of opinion proves that we need different servers! That’s the whole point, you and I don’t agree on something. I don’t WANT to play on an NA server with you or other Americans, or ANYONE on an NA server for that matter. Hence, we should get an EU server and we shouldn’t even have to present or justify our reasons as to why we need one.

Just because ‘hundreds’ of MMOs (god what a big stupid generalisation) that don’t have localised servers doesn’t mean that it would not be a good idea for this game (or ANY game for that matter). ZOMG YOUR ARGUMENT WAS JUST MADE INVALID MY FRIEND!

MMOs don’t (have to) be overcrowded and I think it’s a pretty stupid and premature way of thinking to say that they are (quote as you said) “by definition overcrowded” what the? Have you logged into “War of the Vikings” lately? It’s dead as a desert bro. What about Runescape? Looks pretty dead and sparely populated to me. Shall I continue? Seriously where did you birth this rationale of yours?

Wow nice Strawman fallacy retort there! We Europeans deserve the right to play in a server without lag. Even that at the absolute most baseline argument is a valid reason regardless of what your misconstrued rationale thinks. Seriously, complicating the subject and derailing it with nitpicking and quote-cutting just drives away from the point.

Culture matters. If you don’t think that it does then you sir, are not very well traveled at all.

Blizzard provides localised support for Brazilian and German and Russian and Dutch and Spanish players etc. etc. Why shouldn’t we get similar support? Do you even seriously think about these replies before you start to write them? I can think of 20 Multiplayer games off the top of my head that provide localised support for players in various countries and languages, and a further 20 reasons why ToS should implement such a service.

Let’s try this. Someone present some good reasons as to why we SHOULDN’T have an EU server, and I mean GOOD reasons and watch me debunk and dismis them immediately; but instead I won’t resort to fallacious and completely contradictory ways of thinking like you just did.

P.S. Nice job trying to convince me (with fallacies and contradictory nonsense) that adding perfectly reasonable and legitimate reasons as to why we should get an EU server is ‘pointless’ - and then finishing by saying “Oh btw, I’m not having a go at you”. Either way, here’s some free advice: No one likes a devil’s advocate.

English is not my nature language and i learned everything on internet…

I just stopped complaining about it because i was sure that wasn’t going to stop.The same as talking with a wall… See on this post how people is already satured about people creating alot of topics just because they want a local EA server…

You only care about yourself , only talks about how you will suffer with your ping , but do not see that a large part of the community is going to suffer from it as well. But then know about how many job they(IMC) are going to need to create a local server…

Right and you care about others huh? Telling us to shut up about our requests for an EU server? You can’t even give ONE good reason as to why an EU server would hurt the game, or anyone playing it. There are seriously NO reasons as to why it would be a bad idea to add an EU server. If anything you just sound jealous that you don’t get your own one, so you don’t want anyone else to have their own server. Pathetic. Rack off hypocrite and stop talking about things that you don’t know, and remember to send me your address so I can send you a free dictionary.

This is the same as do you ask to your father to take him to the park, even if he is full of work to do…

Seriously? The game launch is day 29, you really think that people will agree for then to postpone the launch? They already have many data to work on, surely they will know that Europe needs a server at least closer to then.

Let me just point this out at the start because it seems that it escaped you:
a.) Im not arguing against EU servers
b.) Im not american and i want EU servers as well
That being said:

I digress. I absolutely agree that companies should just invest into/hand out things without any reasoning, justification or arguments. Thats how our world works afterall.

  • Brings up dead games to prove that mmos are not meant to be crowded.
  • Honestly asks how i could rationalize that mmos are by design crowded.
    My face, literally:

Yeah well, try to figure out the connection between an mmo being dead and not crowded.

I literally started my post with this, both this one and the one you are replying to, but dont let that bother you too much.

Good argument, except for the fact that we are not traveling, we are gaming.
But spot on otherwise.

I dont know if you noticed but this game is not ran by a multi billion corporation with entire server-parks at their disposal in multiple countries.

Lol, you were the one who said that there are people arguing against this. I asked you to show me a few of them, now you are all like “yeah, lets hear who those peeps are”.
Oh and ofc im also arguing against the opening of EU servers. Except you know… im not.

P.s.: Make yourself familiar with the word “counterproductive”. Its literally what you are doing when you are adding random, stupid, unhinged comments to an otherwise perfectly working, understandable and rational argument.
We want an EU server because we do not wish to have a halfway unplayable game with 400 pings and events hosted in GMT-10. Thats all there is to it. Its not about cultural differences, “choice” (jesus…) or language.

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Go on the reddit, search any topic and they will say: “Eu servers are getting X update later, cause they are our largest.” Not hard to find.

actually people dont want to play tera on EU because of gameforge, so more population on other servers means nothing xD

Ok, I have no idea how cultural arguments started in this thread, nor will I attempt to find out. The only reason I want EU servers is because of the ping. Who’s with me?

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I mean yeah, why lose on play styles we can try out, bc of ping.
There is no way I can play an AA archer and not lose on DPS with 140ms ping to eastern US, but if they open an EU server located somewhere in western Europe, I could have 40ms from eastern Europe.

There are a lot more reasons than just ping…

Thats why I’m suggesting at least something like this, to make sure the AA builds wont suffer having a high ping:

You can’t be serious…

It’s more about cheap workarounds than profound programming solutions - the thing the programmers of IMC seem to prefer :wink:

Seems more like a “patch up the problem” than an actual fix, to me at least.

Thats exactly what it is! A cheap, dirty workaround. And thats what makes it practicable! New servers are expensive, boooh! - IMC’s mindset.