Just because people don’t notice the issue, that’s doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Just by making a fair analysis and comparison, you can see that there’s a problem in the scalings and base game mechanics like AoE and range, as well in defense stats, regeneration and monster’s mechanics. And every single player +lv200, sword or not, knows that swordsman aren’t that good (generally saying) comparing with the other classes.
No man … Swordies got two serious nerfs on Skyliner and Cyclone.
Korean ToS got some buffs but Swordies are still terrible at DPS.You just gotta be overgeared to still be on the same level as other classes.
I’m looking forward to more Swordsman nerfs. It’s going to happen.
We don’t want to do damage or something, we want to play without Pelta.
You can’t play if you don’t take pelta, that is the problem. The game needs swordies to taunt but if we don’t want to take pelta then no one will play with us in parties since we have no damage and no taunt. People here are saying “yea but you have HPs”… And ? You have range, kite, HIIIIGH dps, parties, op trees etc… And you can play how you want without exactly losing something.
Us swordies, if you don’t play with pelta, you are alone from the beginning to the end which means that we can’t play as we want to play since we HAVE TO take pelta for you guys.
The is the issue, can’t play as we want if we don’t want to play alone.
I’m currently at 192, and i don’t see any problem with my damage, I did get the complex gear by soloing, so i guess the damage problem should be above 200+ or sth, i will try it out before conclude anything. For the taunt thing, just take peltasta, and you will be fine. I don’t see why no one want to take peltasta instead of being useless. I see a lot of people playing with out peltasta, and i have to admit, their damage against my damage with peltasta is not that different, so instead of being useless just take pel and stop complaining.
Try it when mob has 60-80K HP and hit 3k each
Because you cannot go back and pick peltasta when you are level 200+, and peltasta is just 1/3 choices you have on rank 2. You cannot expect the majority of people to pick peltasta when they are level 15 knowing nothing about level 200 yet.
Again, I reiterate, class diversity. Highlander is on the same circle, so should we scrap that class and make it so that the swordsman class is special in that the rank 2 is ALWAYS peltasta just because some jerkoffs decide that all swordsman are tank?
you guys can said whatever you want, I just tell my opinion. I did go through a lot of review before picking the class, so I have no choice but to pick Pel because I want to play swordman. If you go through the review before the server open and do not want to tank, you should not play swordman in the first place, just like in the real world, you study hard you get good grade, you not study you fail. I did kill mob with that hp with no problem with my hoplite stabbing.
This is just me, I know a lot of people do not should Pel since I go boss rush, and see 80 percents of swordman classes not choosing Pel, but it their fault or IMC fault that they did not do their homework and not pick Pel.
If you really want to play Highlander, why don’t you pick it on third circle. This game is about choice; moreover, if Pel do not have taunt, we all going to choose highlander, and Pel will be junk.
Oh wow, this is beyond my words.
Do homework? Do you read Korean? Because I started on the very first day of early access, there was no, 0, zero, nil, nada reviews on that day.
Don’t real world me on this, if I know what is trending in real world before it happen, I wouldn’t sit here typing this to you, I will be the next billionaire already.
80% of swordmen you saw do not pick pelt because they don’t need pelt to tank alright? No one need pelt to tank, they need pelt to lure mob aggro.
Maybe this doesn’t occur in your mind yet, but most of the pelt you see at higher level will just cast swashbuckling and run around in circles. That’s not tanking.
This is my last reply to you, like I said this my opinion, I have no problem playing swordman at the moment, so I don’t see why IMC need to fix swordman problem.
You are entitled to your own opinion, as long as you don’t throw stuff such as “do home work”, “read review”, “should pick pelt”, “have no choice” at other’s opinion.
I don’t see how making them even do 1:1 sword:archer/mage dmg would make them op. the one thing that seperates them is the fact that sword is melee, that extra hp is to serve that purpose. but nothing serves the purpose of dps in comparable terms with archer or mage. when someone builds full dps build as a sword they should be capable of doing comparable dps otherwise there is NO POINT (in pve). you might as well call the class Tank and remove all 2h weapons for it if that is the case because it will NEVER be as good and then will always serve no purpose. And that’s a good point whoever stated that there should not be this dichotomy where you either are good at pvp but useless for pve and vice versa, perhaps in the future with team battle league it could balance it out with the purchasable exp cards for pvp points but for now they are kind of incapacitated…
Also about them just being blown up. I can tell you that as a Swordsman c3 / Cataphract c3 lvl 206, even if I had taunt that would just kill me as I cannot block attacks, or I guess I could just run in circles waiting for cooldowns cause I’d be incapable of auto attacking (not that it does anything anyway except get you killed at melee range that late in the game practically) so defense mechanics are weak for anything not wielding a shield. But it’s probably even worse for 2h sword since they don’t have the mobility I do to kite. Maybe add some armor/magic defense buff to swords? although that wouldn’t solve everything they’d still require taunt mechanic so i dnno but cheers! hope it gets tweaked to better suit the needs of us dps sword enthusiasts. and hopefully sooner rather than later. I’d very much like to continue where I left off… for now it’s just 3 runs of catacombs, missions and dailies and i’m done for the day.
I just wanted to say that I have a Swordie with no Pelt around lvl 180… it was easy this far, but now it’s getting tough as HELL.
I have over 200 dex and there’s some creeps that I will never dodge and they just hit me for 1-3k a punch. Normal creeps on normal maps. Mages are a damn nightmare unless you put like 80 points on damn SPR.
Good thing I went the money build (corsair and doppel), otherwise I would feel I just wasted a lot of time. Especially since everyone tells me ■■■■ gets A LOT harder after 200, it’s gonna be a nightmare.
I have a cousin that plays with me and his Wugushi was pretty much doubling my damage 30 levels below me.
You are almost to the end of the tutorial. Post 200 everyone will be starting to do party-only since it is necessary to progress, and without taunt you will be left in the dust. Literally no one will party with you, your class = taunt.
I would recommend re-rolling now to avoid the headache and anguish. Get at least pelt 1 if you want to have a functional swordie post 200.
Posted this in general discussion: Any plans on fixing the current bugs/problems for swordman class?
Maybe I should just posted here but I think this issue needs more visibility.
■■■■■■■ hell yes.
Swordsman should have the highest DPS to balance with the fact they have to be in melee to hit the enemy in the first place.
The HP is to balance (which it does badly) our inability to sit in relative safety at range and apply out damage for longer. The fact our Damage is also bad makes it that we have the highest RISK, for the lowest REWARD.
This is wrong. Damn wrong.
Not to mention boss mechanic that always instant kill melee…
I join the petition to Swordsman class to be fixed, its ridiculous to be FORCED to get Peltasta, it reduces the build possibilities out there
My suggestion: move Swash Buckling to Swordsman C1 so all the builds u plan and chars out there become useful again, also u will gain A LOT OF DEMAND ON SKILL RESETS, more cash for u ToS team
2nd suggestion, make Rodelero to become a real good tanking class, for god’s sake the poor Rodelero is almost in the oblivion
3rd suggestion, to make Peltasta worth it (once u move swash buckling to Swordsman), make an 7th/8th rank class mainly focused on Shield OP attacks and buffs, something that makes worthy to carry a shield and staying with the shield
Well ktos recently got a swordsman buff where they gain 30% more damage per str point now. It’s a start I guess. We might get this by 2021
WUT?!! Where can i find the info on this