LUL these policies no one sees the loop hole here? @STAFF_Yuri REALLLY talking about “oh once we warn them the first time next punishment will be more severe we’ll definitely get them” sick joke fam “within 3 months of 1 strike” BASICALLLLLLLLYYYY its okay to buy any sum of gold every 3 months and just recieve a slap on the wrist … i honestly dont get this staff and the policies they put in place this is a JOKE rmt’s will just RMT harder since you basically said its okay to rmt every 3 months
tldnr = expect to see 0 bans to buyers due to 3 month loophole. and policy allows gm to get paid for doing nothing as usual with the excuse “methods change” cause dust on the AH at 3k+ per isnt OBVIOUS buying and selling
Totally agree with this, I suggested something similar. There could be an option for somehow opting-in for GM review on a delayed trade that allows trading silver.
That would be super nice and avoid the issue of affecting genuine trades as long there isn’t a huge amount of trades like these.
Well, last days I’ve been reporting bots on Tickets and they have been banned within 2-4 hours.
Someone tried to abuse that, they failed miserably (although they did accept the decision):
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You need to read posts properly, mate. Your own link >
Or stop pushing your own narrative. 
@TenichiYohkoh As long as the names are tracked, you can easily ban them outside of the 3 month limit. And allowing players to ‘police’ anything is a horrible idea. Nothing like entire guilds reporting other guilds.
lol what guilds reporting guilds? fwat? we’re talking about botters fam, abuse system get negative tp ezpz congratz you now have to wait for free tp to bring you out of debt cause you were an idiot. my method is very general sure people could abuse it but why would you want to ruin your tp income to troll a guild? also there are certain people who would be amazing at the job… leaving certain things to people who DONT play the game (current GM’s) will get nothing done dude bots straight up do not get banned. please if you have a better solution share I’d love to see it.
im with @Veldt on this one my guy what… this was BEFORE the “policy update” that DEFINED punishment and in this “policy update” it CLEARLY states per 3 month basis so long as you are outside of those parameters any action taken against you that ISNT what is stated so if you get perma banned for buying gold 4 months after your last purchase … that is a breach on IMC’s part and THEY could get in trouble.
The policy updated was released on 26 June. The guy assumed on their own post that they RMTed on 27 July June, 1 day after the policy update.
According to my understanding of English, that means AFTER, unless I skipped classes somewhere.
And if we’re discussing about “oh, he was punished unfairly”, I’m not gonna discuss it since RMT isn’t any kind of bug abuse or anything of the sort. You’re straight up breaking ToS by using 3rd parties on your own volition and outside any in-game limits.
Which by the way, the player agreed on the very first time they launched their game:
Your access to Tree of Savior (the “GAME”) constitutes your agreement to the rules of conduct and policies specified below, as well as the End User License Agreement (“EULA”), STEAM™ Subscriber Agreement and other supplementary policies and agreements of IMC Games Co., Ltd. (the “IMC Games”) and STEAM. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account. If you do not agree with all of the terms of this agreement, you are not permitted to use or access the GAME.
You shall not engage in selling or buying the following via real life monetary transaction: accounts, in-game items, in-game currency or other materials deemed inappropriate by IMC Games.
Different timezones, mate
26 July for you, 27 July in Asia (Telsiai) when that was posted. We’re 12 hours ahead of the server time.
You missed some very, very, basic things.
Edit: For the dense - Announcement was posted on the MORNING of 27th of June in Asia (GMT +8 and higher), while it appeared in the EVENING 26th June, for anyone in US timezones (GMT -4 and below).
Anyone can clear this for me? according to the “updated RMT POLICY” this mean that if i RMT the first time i will get a warning but keep my items and silver? and as long i dont do that again until 3 month have passed i can still do it again and get a first warning? that dont seems ok. because tbh it sounds like i can RMT every 3 months.
i though the RMT policy was to discourage players to buy gold from third parties, the previous one were okay, but the updated ones dont discourage people at all because looks like they have certain time frame to buy RMT without being punished and only one warning.
i also agree the first warning should include the seizing of items and silver, there is no reason for them to keep it as it the first warning, and more if they want to discourage people to buy silver.
Wait, are you seriously trying to argue against reality here?
He bought before the announcement was posted, on the 26th, according to server time (Website time). To him, it is already the 27th (Asia time).
Edit: Oho, you removed that. Understood timezones now?
Really, are you working for IMC, now?
Just like defending the fact that minimum market value is calculated based on GAME MECHANICS, and not magic RMT whales?
Lorf.
Oh, you’ll be surprised at what people will do for PVP 
Allowing player policing has always been a bad idea.
Only MMO which that… ‘worked’ is EVE-Online, and that is in complete free-for-all regions where you can gank them. (And they lose all of their equipped gear, in TOS terms).
Someone tried to RMT and argued exactly about the warning:
They failed miserably, banned for 30 days and no room to appeal.
There could be more non-disclosed conditions for the real punishment. And they don’t need to publish these since the very act is against Terms of Service which not complying to can get you a permanent ban right on first time.
You’re still arguing against reality, fyi.
What i’m trying to tell you is this. And i’ll use a very very basic example, which you conveniently provided an image for.
Assuming announcement was posted at:
That would be 30th June, EDT. That would -ALSO- be, 07:28 AM GMT+8 1st (FIRST) JULY (Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, and CHINA).
So, yes. He could have bought it on the 27th HIS TIME (Telsiai, so i’m not wrong in assuming his timezone is at least positive on GMT), which is 26th SERVER TIME.
You’re assuming that he bought it on the 27th SERVER TIME.
Sigh.
Edit: For the others - I’m not arguing that the person in question (the RMTer) isn’t wrong.
I’m against wrong information and agenda-pushing
I’ll defend anyone, for what it is worth.
Edit2:
From my example, if I bought a McDonald’s meal right now, I can state that I bought one on the 1st of July (my time).
For you US folks, saying that I bought one on the 30th of June (your time) is also correct.
The timezone specification is important in the case of any multi-national (global) context. Not including it will cause misunderstandings, like what i’m trying to correct here. Telsiai has been, and still is, a SEA located server. This also means that at least 95% of the players here (allowance of 5% for folks originally present in SEA, but moved to the US/UK) follow the GMT+6 to GMT+11 (Aus, Tasmania) timezone.
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No, I’m just following what he claims + in-game delays. EDT to GMT+8 have 12 hours difference (Sorry, I forgot google doesn’t recognize the +8 when searching “edt to gmt+8”).
Just take 30min - 2h30 from item showing up on market + how long my reports stays up for more than a day, like this one:
You can for sure say that his items were listed on market by when the Policy was announced.
Now consider he already broke Terms of Service which disallows RMT and has higher value than this Policy = ban.
Edit:
And they did complain about not receiving a warning, which is the first item of the policy.
How Kawaiiiiiii ! 
But can you two sweethearts maybe makeout in PMs?
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haha 2 humans dont understand 1 thing
who cares about time update, or you think before this no one buyer not banned or what?
who allow buy silver before 26 or 27?
Its normal ban like 1 strike, after this this human dont buy silver anymore 100%
I propose do it with any buyer, because if no one buy, no sellers
bots dont care about him accounts, but if you make a severe punishment for buyers, sellers gone, because normal player dont need lost acoount
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this is exactly what im terribly trying to say
As shown previously on the thread: Someone complained about not getting warned but instead received a ban on their first case. There could be more non-disclosed factors.
While it looks like they can get away with it the example shows that IMC won’t just let you get away trying to justify a loophole.
