dude that was before this change lmao. but what i dont understand is how you think they can NOW instantly ban you and it not be a Breach… or ban you 4 months instantly first strike from your last and it not be a breach… if this is the case the player is 100% in the right lol
@seiran addendum that man only received a 30 day ban what a joke last year as well how is this relevant? even in the slightest? they can now NOLONGER up and give someone a 30 day ban they HAVE to give them a slap on the wrist (warning) for first offense. what dont you get? his previous infraction falls under grounds of the previous poiicy NOT the current he in this case is in the wrong.
you know what i dont even play this game anymore management for this games a joke dont @me im outta here good luck with the whales, tell Shamu i say “what up”
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I don’t get what part of the Terms of Service I linked multiple times already.
IMC holds the right to suspend your account permanently or temporarily at their will. One of the main reasons for this result is not complying to the terms of service which covers the RMT topic.
The ToS is what you agreed on when you started playing and its priority is higher than the policy.
Nonetheless:
In order to assess the new measures during this first phase and decide on how to continue improving our policy on RMT, we will be closely monitoring the operation’s results as well as players’ feedback and suggestions.
We already gave strong feedback which, considering the evolving state of the current policy, could be already added into IMC plans for the future phases before IMC defines a final state, which still works under the Terms of Service - and thus, still allowing your account to be suspended for conditions non-disclosed on the policy.
Now, why can I affirm this? Because Terms of Service IS a legal contract, valid for courts, and you agreed on not RMTing and that not complying to do so you accept to have your account suspended from the service at any given time.
There’s no breach if you agreed and clicked “Yes, I agree.” after “reading” EULA and TOS before playing. That’s how it works.
If you think you found a loophole in the policy, prepare yourself to regret it, since in your “best case scenario” this policy is intended to change based on player feedback and how well it works. All items listed after 31 June can be considered even for future revisions with an retroactive effect.
Not that I’m particularly angry or against it, but are we really defending rmt’ing now? Lol
@Amber_Rei Some of us just don’t like others jumping to conclusions 
It ain’t right to stack accusations on someone, y’know? I defended the +40 shield dude too
Innocent until proven guilty (of each offence) and all that.
The way I see it is, if they were serious about banning the “problem RMTers” they wouldn’t have given them a warning. They should just shadowban… but they didn’t. Someone who buys silver also likely to buy TP as well. This is why they gave out a notification and a policy update news letter. Alot of these “problem RMTers” keep this server alive. The real problem isn’t RMT, why shouldn’t we be allowed to transfer value between characters? The problem is BOTTERS. Deal with the problem at the root.
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Ah, yes, the problem is the botters making sure that you have a supply of silver to buy. 
The ones who would have no reason to exist if you would stop buying silver.
Not the right word to use here. Shadowban would mean that you were banned without you knowing it–not really possible in a videogame. You just mean that they should ban without making an announcement or ban silently. But people need to know that actions are being taken. It’s been too long and too many people have quit over this and stopped supporting IMC because RMT was never handled. Now it’s being handled, now people are aware of it, and it’s likely that a lot of those players burned over others effectively cheating return.
@Over.Kill
Well said.This is the truth that may hurt some =)
Unless direct tp : silver is introduced, total and absolute elimination of bots and RMT will only kill the game.
The current population just cant keep up with silver generation for the silver sinks and “RNG” in many aspects of the game. We are not ready for this exorcism.
Imagine that masinios recipe that you are lucky enough to find after running two weeks of raids selling for only 20m just because there isnt enough silvers in the server.
Grats, that isnt even enough to full reroll 2 velco cubes.
Quit because of bots or quit because of RMT ? There is a big difference here
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They are one and the same.
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Bots and RMT definitely not the same. Please be clear about this
If i’m getting an in game item such as golden legend card from my real life friend for real cash that is RMT.
If i’m getting TP and getting tokens/gacha boxes to resell for silver that is RMT in the eyes of some.
If i’m getting an exclusive item such as giltine’s wing from another player for cash thats RMT as well
Truly dont feel any of the above affects the general population in a big way.
The hate should be on the excessive amount of bots due to the rampant silver RMT that is not regulated.
These bots are disrupting players and the economy by pushing down the silver’s value. Killing these bots or restricting them is the key to balancing the in game economy
RMT can never be stopped but they can be slowed down. Controlling the number of bots will cause the silver rmt rates to go up. ( For example it will increase to $8/ 10m instead of the $3 it is now). Sure silver rmt will still exist but less will go that route since its less enticing.
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Where does the money for RMT comes from ? Bots.
There you go, that answers if they’re the same or not.
Excuse me ? Do you even PLAY the game at all ? Do you even know how MMOs work at all ? Bots and RMT gets rid of what makes the game fun, they also destroy the economy, wich destroys the user experience.
Honestly i’m not even sure why you’re trying to defend bots and RMT when it’s clearly a bad thing (on all games !). Afraid of not being able to get money in exchange of game currency ?
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Bots and RMT are the same case when players are buying silver from bots. This also happens when the bot isn’t directly farming silver but mainly selling low level materials to gather silver to sell. This is also the purpose of most bots.
Bots are different things when the Bot purpose is to gather gears/resources for a main.
RMT also is a different thing when it’s not tied to Bots but happens when players are selling things with real money between themselves.
All 3 cases are bad, removes the fun parts of the game and are against the rules. The Bot <-> RMT case is the most common and thus why it is called the same.
I hope this clears it up and make it easier for both sides to see what they are talking about.
P.S.: And while some may consider it. Cash Shop <-> Silver isn’t really RMT per se. Since it’s an official way P2WIN is a better term.
Edit:
Also, most hate goes towards RMT (breaks economy balance on itself) and Bots (fuels RMT, injects silver, causes inflation, affect gameplay on any low level farm content). Both things are hard to stop entirely, causes big issues and makes people quit - especially when they merge as one as explained earlier.
Edit 2:
For guidelines on what’s RMT or not, I tried to follow the terms of service.
You shall not engage in selling or buying the following via real life monetary transaction: accounts, in-game items, in-game currency or other materials deemed inappropriate by IMC Games.
Which covers most, if not all, cases where it happens between users (players, bots etc). While the Cash Shop <-> Silver isn’t illegal as it’s offered as service by the company.
And for Bots as well:
You may not engage in any usage or distribution of illegal programs unrecognized by IMC Games.
You may not acquire illicit gain through the means of deception or unfair methods.
You may not engage or attempt to engage in any activities that might hinder the natural progression of the Game.
Which covers all cases where one could consider as bots or automated clients.
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This thread is more active than the actual game
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Really happy to see IMC stepping on to regulate RMT. Like what others have said, the measures are currently only set to deter RMT, not eradicate it fully. Players will still find some way/loophole to circumvent this new limitation.
If we talk about the crux of the problem that causes inflation and breaks the game economy, it is the rampant BOTs. No matter how much RMTers purchase, they are purchasing items/silver which are farmed in game by BOTs or other players. The commodity is exchanged between account to account, nothing changes.
BOTs on the other hand, increases the amount of commmodities in circulation within the game which in turn causes inflation. Thus the game developers will have increase the number of silver sinks to match the inflation and players have to grind more due to it; which lead to those who can’t withstand it turning to “alternate means” to acquire the silver needed.
Then it leads to more automated accounts created to keep up with the demand. It’s a vicious cycle.
The ideal way to save the game from a runaway inflation is to get rid of most if not all the BOTs, not only it nibs the source where RMTers purchase the silver from, it also reduces the amount of silver injected into the game everyday. Which in turn leads to having lesser silver sinks needed in game, means happier players since they don’t need to grind as much. And ultimately leads to players having lesser thoughts on buying their way to get their gear/items.
What we are doing now is to make it harder for players to RMT, what we should be thinking of doing is how to make the players think that “it is pointless to RMT as gaining equipment/items via effort is so much better”. This will be a much more effective way to stop this practice.
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Totally agreed , you have summed up what i have been thinking
Cheers to @Nekorin
it will be dangerous totally get rid of ALL bots at the moment with the current state of the game.
Too little players and very low silver generation with comparatively costly silver sinks. If silver sinks are adjusted accordingly however, it will be a totally different scenario.
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The mental gymnastics is amazing. Get RID OF BOTTING, and nearly every single restriction this game has is relieved. I agree with many things here, but calling something “legal RMT” which is the term I so often here is a fallacy. It’s like how liberals call illegal immigrants “undocumented citizens”. It’s just IMC trying to maximize the amount of money they make from their game. So when IMC sells you the same thing with arguably less value, we say it’s kosher. I do it anyways because it supports the game, but it also doesn’t help the situation any more than the botters devalue our currency. People can come and inject as much or as little money into the economy and devalue it as much as they like or as little as they like. As long as IMC makes the money, all is kosher 
I tell everyone if you are going to buy silver, make damn sure you buy 5x that amount in TP atleast. Keeps the tax-man away.
This man gets it. Sir you must have passed grade 8.
Which again, like many people said, is fine. Except that if IMC does it a little too much people quits because P2WIN/unhealthy mechanics are just as bad.
they quit because the ALTERNATIVE is bad, but it’s only bad because of botters. This game needs a rework, not a witch hunt.
No. Players quit if a game goes P2WIN a little too much because it’s bad, even if there are no bots/RMTs. lol
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