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Policy Update Regarding RMT

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#315

@STAFF_Yuri
Silver sellers are now offering new packages in bless shards / items
They are not even bothered since all they have to do is change their methods of trading
Not sure if this policy is intended to slay all forms of RMT or passive silver generation by bots
I hope its the latter, which will eventually slow down Silver RMT

The best immediate solution might just be to start banning the many bots that we active players are reporting on a daily basis. I’ve reported one particular bot everyday for 5 months and he is still alive and kicking. Honestly it doesnt matter what policies there are if bots are just running around blatantly

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#316

They are changing their methods, interesting… well it is surely expected, but still, they can’t hide.
Probably my actions give them a hard time. hmm… changing speed is faster than expected.
Lowering their efficiencies will give them much harder time, well surely they just won’t go away, but I could make them much more frustrating.
About that one… send me the video evidence to me in PM. I’ll see and take necessary action about it.

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#317

hmm…
well… at least we are moving forward. I hope that tos grows better. :champagne:

#318

Thank you for the prompt reply. I will get it done over the weekends and pm it over.

They will always be around.
The bots will just have to work longer and accumulate bigger amounts of silvers before trading.
Unless bans are done, it does not affect the botting patterns
Sad Truth is in the current state of Tos in terms of population , we do need some of them around to generate silver. Current population as a whole cannot keep up with the silvers required, especially with the new silver sinks that came with the new update content
The key is to keep them under control which we players would very much like to assist. As long as they are not dominating the large % of silver generated and pushing the silver values way down; they will do more good than harm

#319

Indeed, they will surely going to receive much more harder time then before.
I’m keep thinking more automated feature to assist this.
Fingers crossed, since this will be long fight.

#320

Not sure how well it will go but for sure the right thing to make a statement about this. :+1:
The common understanding ingame seems like the worst that can happen is only a small temp ban…
Not sure how this happend but at least now the buyer should have some concerns about his account.

@Rxlxk u are so wrong … They are def not needed around. They destroy the economy even more and the game develops further in the wrong way. Since if people buy easy sums there is no harm in putting systems which need this big sums to use… But all people who don’t buy , or afk farm, or do whatever gets this huge amounts together are screwed. But if the amount wouldn’t be so big the system could be adjusted from the start !

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#321

Why IMC wont ban those buyers of silver? coz they are the life of the game. They are the big spenders esp when theres new cube available. those free loaders(f2p players) who keep on cryng about rmt spend way less than those who do rmt. -Ugly truth

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#323

/me checks market
/me sees +18 solmiki staff T10 with sockets and 6/14 pot left
/me checks price: 600 mil
/me checks purse: 2 mil (yeah… I tend to spend a lot on trans/enchant/repair/consumables/attributes)

Me: Oh well… it’s gonna take some time to get the money to buy that
RMT player: yoink
Me: :sob:

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#324

I think imc just wants to reassure these players, why these measures are so late when they had to be taken at the source from the start. You have let the disease proliferate too long. You have lost a lot of players with this, as with the p2w cubes (seriously, you play with our money and it’s ugly)

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#325

As the RMT exploiters change their methods, I would recommend having ‘secret shoppers’ on your end that go to their sites and buy something. From there you can see how they act, as well as banning them.

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#326

I would expand this suggestion to having Fake sellers too to catch the people that buy too…

but sadly the itos staff is so small It fits in my hand :blush:

#327

And at best you’ll ban the bot. It is counter-productive for real seller to pull all the resources on one account, if they even have the main account (most likely not). Modern sellers either sell directly from bots (that have tons of silver farmed) that are easy to replace, or outsource resource collection - buyer puts order on the site and one of “freelancer” players completes it for reward.
ToS sellers most likely use bot method because its so easy to do, so “secret buyers” wont really work.

P.S. “secret sellers” will catch only the stupidest of buyers or 1st timers.

#328

Maybe so, but it will at least get the company familiar with the gold sellers direct activities, so when they see those trends on the marketplace they can act quicker. Wouldn’t be and end-all-be-all for sure, just data gathering.

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#329

RMT buyers and sellers are already stupid so what you saying is that it will work fine :smiley:

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#330

It seems due to RMT/Bots ban, some items in market is in rising alr (dunno if it’s directly coz of the new policy or coz of market reseller speculation)

Items like Card Album, Powders, Opal/Mithril/etc, Bless Shard will rise

F2P who likes to farm will get their item sell higher, while non-farmer F2P will have to grind more

Every policy made will change the server condition
For both who support or dont support RMT/Bots pls understand and dont blame everything to Staff or any scapegoats (P2W)

Prices will probably keep rising until equilibrium (supply-demands, which nobody knows the exact)

PS:This is just my speculation/opinion, if u guys have ur own opinion feel free to share it

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#331

I am noob to forum, and dunno how tag, can someone.help me tag Staff Yuri? Thx in advance

@Staff Yuri
In the long run, if IMC really resolved to wipe most RMT/Bots, they’d better to do researches and lots of homework
They need to simulate how much hours player spend to play, minimum-maximum-average (mean and median), so they can know how much silver players most player make
So they’ll have better arguement when they are deciding any improvement/update (running a server is like running a small country, every policy made i.e interest rate will affect ppl actions)

#332

Seems correct, that’s how the game /should/ be anyway.

If the game features/mechanics were designed to adjust to bots (ex. Velcoffer reroll would be 4m/1.5m instead of 8m/3m if we have no bot silver inflation) like what we have now, something is really wrong.

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#333

you only missed the _ and if you @ a list should appear with the closest names too, just clickin on that list woks too @Iriez

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#334

Right now im really so afraid to conduct peer 2 peer transactions.

Say in-house trading of items to prevent item from being snipped from market.
Selling Junk for XXX amount and then trading item directly to buyer.

Banning RMT-ers is one end, banning bot should be enforced as well, really strongly. It requires massive manpower and effort. Its good to see IMC stepping up their efforts against RMT but all i see here are salt posts teaching IMC what to do and how to create a more fool-proof system etc. I really think IMC is giving their system a trail, so sit back and enjoy the ride.

If bots are a chore to manually ban, why not instill a anti-afk system like other games do. And such anti-afk measures shouldn’t hinder game-play in dungeons but only in open maps. There are certainly more ways and innovative methods to counter bots than the simple captcha system

Sooner or later, a genuine p2p transaction would be caught up in this mess and raise pitchforks. Knowing that players are using market for conducting p2p trade, why not redesign and innovate the current trading system to suit the new changes. Perhaps design a way for players to sell a particular item to a particular player on the market (IGN locked) , since direct trading of silver is restricted in this game.

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#335

Right in the feels haha