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iDreamy's Guide to Scout C3

Class and Rank Archer
#1076

I don’t mind.
You could try in this thread, special thread for farming dungeon 145:

#1077

But it’s fine, ur right and it would turn the topic around. .

Thanks for the links, my problem still is that I already read a lot and realized that Scout 3 is by far the best for solo clear dungeons , had doubts lately due to hop 3 videos poping up lately and seeming nice but well I don’t know… but as I was saying. . The thing is that I want this character to be my main and to, after finishing my dailies stuff be able to keep efficiently farming… not sure if scout is still the best for this… ( now this is back to topic xD )

Thanks

#1078

Scout3 at rank 6 is very early power-farming, farming dungeon 130 & dungeon 145 (best silver).

Plague doc2 (rank 8) will be strong vs high HP mobs (DoT damage quite strong, long duration, long CD - would be waste vs low HP mobs).

Hoplite3 videos were to show the new spear throw, it is now quite decent as a 0cd skill to farm. However the animation is quite long. Split arrow animation is faster and better to farm. Split arrow is auto-aim, so you don’t have to manually throw it like spear throw.

Split arrow + bow bonus vs air enemy is very great vs flying enemies (dungeon 130, and dungeon 145).

#1079

But considering endgame, almost max lvl and decent gear … for the sole propose of getting rich … knowing that I will mostly play only 1 char … Scout is better? Because we can see that pd can clear the dungs in decent times … só say that I play 3 hours… 1 and half hour for the 3 runs (pd) not even optimized and then the other 1h30 for regular farm … as a scout Ill do it in 1h (chilling) and I’ll have 2h for regular farm… but wont the 1h30 from pd be more effective field farming?

Not killing high lvl mobs wise but actually effectively farming … I dont care about killing high lvl mobs if their not profitable ;p

As the time goes I keep doing some dailies and so on on my Bokor . But I can’t push it cuz Im not sure I made the best choice for me … xD im such a dificult person…

#1080

You could still play 2 chars, and just pick whichever char you feel like playing at the moment. You don’t have to force yourself to play 1 char because it is best/most efficient, etc. if you won’t have fun.

Scout3 for sure will be easier to use (split arrow spam).
Plague will be more wanted for party at end-game since it doubles as a support.

#1081

unless you can reach 8000x1.5 base damage with str this is not true.
Trust me i got both a full str and a full dex archer.
a lot of rank 8 skills got around 8000 damage,
8000x1.5 is 12000, hence crit adds 4000 damage
unless you can reach 4000 from str, you will not out damage dex builds, not for archers, swordies are different than archers.
the difference between str arguments and dex arguments for archers is that str arguments are pure theory,
i can show y ou videos of fully geared people and how their damage compare and full dex always wins.
for a poor guy a str or a hybrid oriented build might suit your needs, since str is stronger without any gear, dex out damage with gear.

#1082

please show us those videos, i want to see too

#1083

I’ve come to realise that like pretty much everything else in this life, dex or str is a matter of preference. However, you are failing to realise that even with full str you can almost hit crit rate cap and therefore you would also be doing crits except your crits will be hitting almost 2x more.

I really don’t know why people think full str doesn’t crit. lol

#1084

i have both a full str and a full dex,
you cannot reach crit cap with full str, this is not possible. and full dex builds have better performance.

#1085

Just PM me and I’ll help you as best as I can.

#1086

please screencap your full str and full dex char, complete with status after swift step and gears. i’m curious

#1087

Ohhh do us a favor and make a video about it. It might be helpfull for those who still wondering which is better. Though it is already obvious which one is better.

#1088

too much work for an internet guy, there’s an extent to how much i care about this argument.

#1089

sad to hear that, because seeing is believing for majority of us

#1090

what do you need to see?

#1091

his gearing setup to see how he compensate full STR’s and full DEX’s weakness. There’s not many full STR lv 280 archer in iTOS and i’m fully aware he never stated his full STR build and full DEX build is at lv 280 or not. I hope he isnt comparing full DEX lv 200 with full STR lv100.

#1092

Shade boots - 11 dex
Red veris glove - 23 crit rate
Manamana - 35 crit rate
Sissel 2x - 74 crit rate
Max peta - 14 dex
Hat 3x - 39 crit rate
3 lvl 7 gem - 145 crit rate
Archer crit - level/5 (56 crit rate for 280)

Roughly 510 crit rate after SS which is 76% crit chance disregarding crit resist.

670 crit rate with quicken and monstrance which is 100% crit chance disregarding crit resist.

So yes, a pure str build can reach max crit chance under ideal circumstances.

Btw, with this setup, we only need 127 extra dex to reach 100% crit chance alone. That means over 180 stat points invested into dex is wasted stat points.

If we did take into consideration a crit resist of 120. A full str build has roughly 60% chance to crit anyways, and that’s still pretty good.

  • leather lolo 2 piece and 7 ellaganos card = about 95% crit chance. 120 crit resist = 80% crit chance.

But i’m only talking theory, so why listen to me right?

#1093

You can get up to 14 crit rate per hat actually, so 42 not 39.

3 issues:

  1. Like you said, those are ideal conditions. You are not always going to have a chrono AND a priest around to provide those buffs (although you can spend several thousands spamming monstrous scrolls too).

  2. You are only accounting for 280 cap. At lvl 330, you’ll need to hit 786 crit rate to have 100% crit chance vs 0 crit resist. Against 120 crit res, you would need 906 crit rate. There’s no way you are going to reach those numbers staying pure str, even with all the buffs in the game.

  3. Dex also provides evasion, which is actually pretty crucial for survival as far as archers are concerned. With 142 pts invested into dex, superior bandit boots, max petamion and lvl 50 leather mastery, I am just barely hitting 780 evasion with lv10 SS at lvl 245. Shade Boots is already at a disadvantage since it is behind superior bandit boots by around 57 evasion points, what more the 176~ raw evasion from the 142 pts invested into dex. Archers with high-ish dex also have the luxury of maintaining at least a decent amount of evasion while still going 3pc plate for the hp bonus, something that you simply can’t do on the str build.

#1094

You forgot the +70 dex from ellaganos card.

#1095

It’s gonna be +80 with 8 slots. I would get glass mole though. This guy is using 8 glass moles -_- I’m jealous.