How good is a wugushi circle 1-2 with aoe? I see throw gu pot on 35 sec and wugong gu on 25 sec. On paper this seems pretty sucky, but how is the experience in the real game?
Wugong gu is amazing if the monster cannot be melted down in less than 3 seconds. Which is the case of dungeon scenarios and 3 star maps.
So while I was writing this I found how Needle Blow and WugongGu scales with the help of a Wugushi3 friend and my own Wugushi2.
Anyways this was done with various physical attack ranges and attribute levels tested on 4 different mobs - Hallowventer (Fedimian Suburbs), Red Socket (Sentry Bailey), Blue Ticen (Sentry Bailey) and Blue Socket Archer (Sentry Bailey). Needle Blow and WugongGu both tick for the same damage on all 4 mobs.
The testing was done with no weapons at all until the end and each testing phase consisted of using various equipment that increases both minimum and maximum in order to remove variance from the poison tick damages.
My findings is that regardless of attack range (at 727 and 1022) both skills scale at a flat rate with attribute levels and also seems to scale 1:1 with physical attack which is also unaffected by attribute levels. What I did find interesting was that the supposedly flat increase for Needle Blow at Lv20 increased by 7 damage at 21 but 8 damage at 22 and 23 which means it may in fact not be exact flat increments but may have something to do with the skill damages. At Lv10 Needle Blow skill damage is 776 in which 1% of that would amount to 7.76 damage.
.2 x 776 = 155.2
.21 x 776 = 172.96
At this gap it didnât break the whole number and ToS rounds down resulting in the +7 gained from attribute only.
If this is true then it should repeat itself again at Lv26 when itâll increase by 7 damage yet again because of not breaking the whole number in order to gain 8 damage and again at Lv30.
.25 x 776 = 194
.26 x 775 = 201.76
My results
Lv25 = 1429
Lv26 = 1436
Another difference of 7.
Lv29 = 1459
Lv30 = 1466
If this is true then for WugongGu, its skill damage, 1102 at Lv10 would mean 1% of it amounts to 11 damage added to the poison tick per attribute level which correlates to the 11 damage increase per attribute level as seen on the table.
In order to confirm my theory I needed a Wugushi 3 to confirm me his Needle Blow scaling. Lv15 Needle Blow has 1050 skill damage and Lv15 WugongGu has 1547 skill damage. To stay relevant each attribute increase should increase the damage accordingly - 10.5 damage per Needle Blow and 15.47 per WugongGu.
Needle Blow
Lv60 attribute - 2226
Lv61 attribute - 2236
tl;dr
Wugushi skills scales based on physical attack to poison damage per tick at a 1:1 ratio and attributes scales at 1% of the base skill damage. This means that if you donât go Wugushi3 your poison damage arenât going to scale as well. While you are a Wugushi2 youâll only gain 7.76 per Needle Blow and 11.02 per WugongGu while a Wugushi3 will gain 10.5 per Needle Blow and 15.47 per WugongGu on top of having a longer duration for more uptime.
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I think instead of scale well, you mean it scales better. Whether or not you take circle 2 or 3, it seems the poisons donât scale very well at all from attributes.
Interesting finding, I had a feeling the attribute wasnât increasing the poison ticks damage as it âshouldâ (considering the usual way it works for most skills) but I never bothered to really check it.
I guess you could actually write about it in the bug report section. Not sure if itâs intentional or not, but itâs something worth reporting as a bug, given either the attribute isnât working properly or itâs description should be change to actually state what it accurately does (before people spend tons of silver uselessly).
I wonder howâs wugushi on KTOS? is it the same scaling attribute compared with us?
@ Lvl100 Attribute (Needle Blow/Wugong Gu = 50m silvers each)
Lvl10 Needle Blow = +766/tick (11,490 for 15secs)
Lvl15 Needle Blow = +1050/tick (21,000 for 20secs)
Lvl10 Wugong Gu = +1102/tick (16,530 for 15 secs)
Lvl15 Wugong Gu = +1547/tick (30,940 for 20secs)
is it worth it? 
I hope they fix it which should scale properly as with other skills.
I forgot to test it with Broadhead [Bleeding] if also scales like this.
Sadly I donât have a kToS account and canât test it for myself. But if the attribute scaling doesnât get changed itâll get overshadowed with later ranks and new gears especially being stuck to a 1:1 scaling and unaffected by attribute and attribute scaling capping at 2x of base skill damage.
Thanks for the testing. The number one wish is still gonna be making poison stackable from multiple Wugushi.
Just realize that i keep playing the âneed fixâ classes, previously it was Bokor and now Wugushi⌠
Regarding Dex
138 distributed or Total?
This is⌠saddd⌠especially if they raised level cap with high end game content, wugu would be lacklusterr compared to other classes, on top of attributes bad scaling and not stacking poisons, and my RS doesnât have attribute!! need didel badly.
I guess going qs3 wugu is a bad idea end game, at first I didnât believe player saying qs3 scales bad late game cause I was having a breeze leveling, but as I get higher my qs3 kills a lot slower now than my fletcher3
Yeah Iâd have to agree the attribute scaling will need some rework for better scaling but I personally donât think it should scale like other skillsâ attributes either mainly because it scales so well with duration already. Wugushi really is a sustain class in my opinion.
As for QS3 I still believe it is viable end game but itâs just so gear dependent that they all become mandatory - DGC + Running Shot gem (I met a A3QS3Musket who was hitting 10k crits without DGC on non flying mob and that only accounts for 1 of the 2 separate hits which still amazes yet bewilders me). I believe what will hurt Running Shot though is because itâs a fake multi hit skill and not benefit from excess Crit Attack as well as other skills (The SR who cleared floor 20 had 977 Crit Attack) as well as whether or not IMC plans to introduce new +2 QS weapons in the future.
yes It seems that a +2 QS weapon outperforms most equipment for a QS3, and seeing how ktos players reroll cube so many times just to get didel makes me sick, and the need to hunt RS gems to top it off.
gonna retire my qs3 wug for now until further updates.
thanks for giving the numbers, it scales so horribly, that is why before people would say poison doesnât scale with attribute because it is so small to notice the difference with the cost of big silver sink
Confirmed with testing here too. Yeah I believe it should scale not like other skills but it shouldnât scale off that low as well. I believe it to be bugged or unintended atm. I sent them a pm as well and they said they will take a look at it.
Thatâs good to hear that they responded. Iâd like to hear what they have to say about it too.
Itâs been something Iâve debated and personally thought one way myself. But which adds more to a wugu2 build. Archer 2 or Wugu 3. please offer opinion based on different types of builds, both with Wugu as the center of them and with Wugu as an alternative to falcon+r7, etc.
138 total.
Its not a thing about adding. It is how they change the nature of the build. Wugushi 3 is more single target centered than the rest of the other choices. You will hardly use wugong gu to its max potential because the duration just lasts so long and enemies die so fast because of your parties DPS. Lvl 15 wugong gu is only worth it because of the 16 target limit. Even then, if you have AOE in mind, there are better choices.
To everyone in this thread, Wugushi AOE is more centered around AOE DPS than burst. This changes if a linker is present. Multishot + Circling will simply do more damage in less time. And so does Cannonrape crits with circling as well. Wugushi comes into here with a proposal of offering both Single Target and AOE damage at a resonable rate in a single tree.
Not only this, i have moved to swordsman, and i will tell everyone circling is an OP aoe skill. 
What makes skills that can crit OP is how they scale with supports like chronomancer, priest and SPR krivis.
To tell you more exactly how they compare, i would need multiple archers at lvl 177 or 225+ at least q.q
sorry, but this didnât quite answer my question so I apologize and will try to be more clear.
in various builds like I will list in the following, can anyone offer some opinions on which adds more value in pve mostly via dps and/or burst in each and why - - archer 2/3 or wugu 3:
archer1/qs3/wugu2/xx
archer1/ranger3/wugu2/xx
archer1/ranger1/archer2/wugu2/xx/r7
archer1/ranger1/archer2/wugu2/xx/rogue
archer2/sapper2/wugu2/xx
any others along with reasons why one more circle of archer or of wugu.
granted, I know in some of these build paths other choices can be more optimal but I am just seeing in what cases is which circle more worthwhile. I was originally under the impression that archer2 beat wugu3 as long as the focus of the build wasnât completely wugu, and wugu3 beat archer3 barely either way.
way to realtive to so much stuff to answer.
experiment a little dont be afraid.
I currently have a wugushi c3 i do have around 580 game hours and whenever i see another wuguhsi on party, I try to play with the cooldowns so we can coordinate the skills, however it is 195 right now i use it to farm and it works well I have not tested on world bosses because i never find any and at dungeons/missions it does pretty decent damage, there are some flying bosses that where i feel useless skills like jin can gu.
About Jin can gu, do you guys know if the insects created with that skill get additional damage, HP, depending on the skill level? I Feel that is better to leave it at level 1 because there are tests that prove the damage doesnt scale, the cool down is not reduced, the duration is not reduced either.
I have a archer3 wugu1
what the best path ?
archer3 wugu2/3 â?â cannonner
archer2 sapper2 wugu2 cannonner
archer1/2 ranger1/2 wugu2 â?â cannonner
Yes, Iâm veeeeeery indecisive D: