Wugushi skills clarification

[Hakaze]

1. Do the attributes for needle blow, wugong gu, and throw gu pot increase poison tick damage or only initial hit?

2. I have read some old posts on reddit and on the official forums saying that only needle blow scales with physical attack and not wugong gu and throw gu pot. Can anyone confirm?

Thanks

[Reilet]

[Guide] Wugushi: The Venomous Tribe

So while I was writing this I found how Needle Blow and WugongGu scales with the help of a Wugushi3 friend and my own Wugushi2.

Anyways this was done with various physical attack ranges and attribute levels tested on 4 different mobs - Hallowventer (Fedimian Suburbs), Red Socket (Sentry Bailey), Blue Ticen (Sentry Bailey) and Blue Socket Archer (Sentry Bailey). Needle Blow and WugongGu both tick for the same damage on all 4 mobs.

The testing was done with no weapons at all until the end and each testing phase consisted of using various equipment that increases both minimum and maximum in order to remove variance from the poison tick damages.

https://imgur.com/Gxgi280

My findings is that regardless of attack range (at 727 and 1022) both skills scale at a flat rate with attribute levels and also seems to scale 1:1 with physical attack which is also unaffected by attribute levels. What I did find interesting was that the supposedly flat increase for Needle Blow at Lv20 increased by 7 damage at 21 but 8 damage at 22 and 23 which means it may in fact not be exact flat increments but may have something to do with the skill damages. At Lv10 Needle Blow skill damage is 776 in which 1% of that would amount to 7.76 damage.

.2 x 776 = 155.2.21 x 776 = 172.96

At this gap it didn’t break the whole number and ToS rounds down resulting in the +7 gained from attribute only.

If this is true then it should repeat itself again at Lv26 when it’ll increase by 7 damage yet again because of not breaking the whole number in order to gain 8 damage and again at Lv30.

.25 x 776 = 194.26 x 775 = 201.76

My resultsLv25 = 1429Lv26 = 1436

Another difference of 7.

Lv29 = 1459Lv30 = 1466

If this is true then for WugongGu, its skill damage, 1102 at Lv10 would mean 1% of it amounts to 11 damage added to the poison tick per attribute level which correlates to the 11 damage increase per attribute level as seen on the table.

In order to confirm my theory I needed a Wugushi 3 to confirm me his Needle Blow scaling. Lv15 Needle Blow has 1050 skill damage and Lv15 WugongGu has 1547 skill damage. To stay relevant each attribute increase should increase the damage accordingly - 10.5 damage per Needle Blow and 15.47 per WugongGu.

Needle BlowLv60 attribute - 2226Lv61 attribute - 2236

tl;dr Wugushi skills scales based on physical attack to poison damage per tick at a 1:1 ratio and attributes scales at 1% of the base skill damage. This means that if you don’t go Wugushi3 your poison damage aren’t going to scale as well. While you are a Wugushi2 you’ll only gain 7.76 per Needle Blow and 11.02 per WugongGu while a Wugushi3 will gain 10.5 per Needle Blow and 15.47 per WugongGu on top of having a longer duration for more uptime.

[Guide] Wugushi: The Venomous Tribe
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/search?q=Wugushi

[Sensate]

Edit: Needle blow Scales with physical attack

Wu Gong Gu and throw gu pot scale with physical attack. You can test this again by the same weapon and see how the damage decreases when you take it off.

All three skills scale flat atm. You can this test this because if you do do all 3 skills with and w/o mana mana. W/ mana mana + 278 poison damage. W/o mana mana exactly or very close to -278 poison damage. This means that attributes not scaling % as elemental property attacks should scale as well under normal circumstances. I tested this with 65-75% attributes on my wu gong gu, needle blow, and throw gu pot.

[Punkd]

Needle blow scales with str.

I’ve no idea what kind of testing you’ve been doing but they should’ve been scaling off of your physical attack.

0:05
Gorithos 2hd bow - 813 to 855
1670 damage ticks

0:38
No weapon - 729 to 729
1548 damage ticks

0:57
+13 Grand Cross - 922 to 932
1744 damage ticks

1:19
Superior Kracked Shooter - 1058 to 1093
1839 damage ticks

[Sensate]

I watched it and tested it. you’re right. The big question is why the needle blow doesn’t change upon changing equipping weapon on and off / or changing different weapons while the poison tick is under duration. If it scales with physical damage, why does it behave like it does. Wu Gong Gu and throw gu pot change poison tick damage as soon as you change weapons or take them off.

[YuseiXyan]

that just means for some reason needle blow snapshots when other dots in the game don’t. could for one reason or another be unintentional coding.

but, not the first game to make some dots snapshot and others not – when receiving buffs etc.

[Sensate]

That is so weird @_@ and if it scales in physical damage, the poison damage tick should vary as well like wu gong gu and throw gu pot.

[YuseiXyan]

snapshotting just means that it takes into account only what your number is at the time you use the ability, rather than updating on every tick. but it is weird that this is the only poison to do so.

[Sensate]

Yes, and the biggest of all is that poison tick damage is exactly the same throughout the duration even when wearing a 2 handed bow with great variance of minimum attack~ maximum attack. O well, IMC being IMC. Thanks for the test @Punkd