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[quote=“zarakresh, post:45, topic:181015”]
I duo with my GF all the time and the trade system didnt affect our game play at all.[/quote]
Let me return the question: Are you working for the rmt?
Cause probably thats the only way you are going to feed off everything from the auction house, from gear to collection items.
Also btw, unless you go for purple or higher items, the weapons which are in the AH are the exact same ones which drop from quests.
Also this is probably a winning comment.
The lack of a trade system does not affect playing with friends.
Its golden.
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You’re full of crap, vini. Guy-who-buys-a-token-a-month doesn’t even nearly fit the commonly accepted definition of whale. You’re abusing the word and the idea.
They issued the statement because they were told to by their superiors, who firmly believe their deeply flawed market restriction scheme can actually slow down RMT.
Obviously, we all know it can’t. I’ve done numerous threads on the subject. Most of us have seen the legendary screenshot of bots with arde daggers and popolion meat going for 100k+ as clear signs of how easy it is to game the market sell price limit system.
RIP TOS, just not for the reasons you’d like to believe. It’s good old fashioned cluelessness, not even greed.
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Are you really playing the game?
I have debated this guy before in another thread. He has tendency towards non-congruent thinking, name calling when out-debated and linguistic challenges.
It’s hard to make logical sense of his posts and his arguments are always some really loose rants with no substance in it.
No, im clearly not playing the game, as such i lag behind in terms of info about drops, but hey, at least im not retarded enough to make the statement that having no trading doesnt matter at all.
[quote=“CookyKim, post:53, topic:181015, full:true”]
I have debated this guy before in another thread. He has tendency towards non-congruent thinking, name calling when out-debated and linguistic challenges.
It’s hard to make logical sense of his posts and his arguments are always some really loose rants with no substance in it.[/quote]
In clear text: I got my ass handed to myself, so im here to comment on his butt due to my grudge.
And yeah he has linguistic challenges because out of sheer desperation i started to claim that i cant read what he is writing.
Eeeeeey Cookie, i havent seen you in a while.
Hey how’s it going? Care for another round? 
So I guess accusing one as RMT white knight against both sides is a thing here now?
Sure and cheers. 
You do understand that “bots trading silver” and “rmt transactions” are essentially the same thing, right? You can argue that one uses irl money and the other doesnt, but a.) thats splitting hairs and changes nothing b.) IMC literally states that they did all the restrictions in order to protect the economy, and both of these are destructive towards it.
What is cutting into their profits? Having to buy a token with their unlimited amount of virtual silver? Their profit is real money. Not virtual silver. So no, you didnt cut into their profit, all you cut into was their unlimited supply of silver, which is generated a hundred times faster than it is depleted, making this restriction an inconvenience to them (at best) but a ■■■■ up to the players who work for every each little silver they can scrape together.
But i give you did cut someone’s profit not to mention play experience: and that would be the player base which is actually playing the game.
Twisted way of thinking. Yes someone paid for the token, but then its bought via botter money by gold sellers.
You are implying that its okay to bot as long in the process money goes to IMC. What if i told you that its not?
Also you seem to disregard the fact that the token’s price rising is not a beneficial thing to players who do not play with bots and have to actually work for their silver.
Just like above with the “cutting into profits” statement, the audience which suffers the most from this is the player base.
In fact you just made the argument worse because you implied that IMC does not care about bots buying tokens as long as they get the money for the first time purchase of the token.
You do understand the irony of talking about “letting this silver enter economy” but just above you think its a good idea to allow them to buy tokens with sky high prices with their botted together amount of money.
You know what else crashes the economy? Having no players crashes the economy.
Yeah, forum whining hurts the game more than seven hundred colours and a full rainbow of pointless and controversial restrictions on every game feature from trade to chat.
You are trying too hard. Be careful not to ■■■■ yourself in the process.
[quote=“CookyKim, post:44, topic:181015”]
does nothing to bolster your arguments but make you look like the guy on your meme.
[/quote]Im only human, i need to vent my anger as well. Furthermore it servers me well as an early warning system.
When someone cherry picks all the insults from my post and ignores all the arguments, i can rest assured that im talking to someone who is mentally handicapped and thus would not want a conversation with the person.
But look at me yapping about things you do not care anyway.
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So are you working for the RMT or another rival mmorpg?
LMAO stop feeding the troll guys.
A flaw in the system is that it doesn’t stop bots from completely annihilating the market for no return. I guess this wasn’t anticipated by IMC, and certainly wasn’t anticipated by anyone else. Case in point:
The bots are buying out all the fking Arde Daggers, so I guess that’s one way to create demand for RMT: completely remove the item from the market until someone wants to buy. Although the min/max system prevents the bots selling them cheaply, which means anyone trying to buy one either has to pay for the chance of buying it for full price, which is dumb, or not get one, which is also dumb. Would appreciate it if someone came up with a solution for this.
I reckon the restrictions are currently working. I visited many of those RMT sites being advertised out of curiosity and they either didn’t state how they would deliver the silver or they would do it through a purchase on the market, which would be flagged down by the system.
What is currently destroying the economy is the bots creating false demand.
TL;DR: The statement was more of a PR move with some little facts.
/runsawayfromthread
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[quote=“timothyc131, post:60, topic:181015”]
I reckon the restrictions are currently working[/quote]
Thing is, i dont really care, nor do i think anyone should be inclined to care when we achieve such a success by means of destroying the game for the players.
Its literally like dropping a nuke on the city you are defending and then celebrating the fact that you annihilated the opposition.
Yeah… let the minor detail that you killed off your own soldiers AND the town, not cloud your celebration.
I denounce any “solution” which punishes the players more than it punishes the botters.
I found my peace with the AH cap, found my peace with the dungeon cap, but then they capped trade and spawns as well. At this point i just want to scream at them for trying to protect something by setting it on fire.
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You claim restrictions are not stopping RMT, I claim they are stopping RMT?
I never mentioned anything about it being a good idea or not. I simply stated that I believe it works and why.
Is it still possible to do? Yes.
Are bans effective? As if bans were ever effective against VPN services.
So you basically avoided answering on the entire issue and argument, and choose to simply ignore the fact that this success is achieved by literally setting the game on fire.
They can revert the transaction you know.
Right now it’s pretty much less players less bots vs more players more bots. I have no clue which side is better. However if you insist that the current situation is lighting the game on fire, then so is the other side.
Neither.
Ideally anti bot measures do not screw over the player base, by capping every feature the game has.
The devs are acting as if we would be still in the year 2000 and anti cheat softwares, capthas and what not didnt exist, forcing everyone to hard cap game features.
So to answer your question: Both sides are the result of a bad, ignorant, idiotic anti-bot “doctrine”.
I am here to play.
Not to watch or carry a war on my back, between devs and gold sellers while the game burns down around them.
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IMC is a game developer. They develop games. They do not develop anti-bot programs.
If IMC can afford to contract some kind of hackshield, I’m sure they would do it.
And therein lies our main problem. Hooray, we did it reddit!
ToS needs some kind of hack prevention.
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