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Circle reset NEEDED for game to survive!

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#337

For me
You could win the resets only for classes that earn upgrades/nerfs. Take for example have a build with Corsair C2 and he gets a nerf, I am entitled to 2 restart circle if I have only one gain 1… and only to change Corsair slot and I have to up the class again.
Imagine you up at rank 7 take one class and its get nerf or another update you dont like.

the rest you can imagine how good or bad is your build, need only be patient and learn about, have a lot of resources for that.

Sorry my english, is not my native language

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#338

I Agree with you, actually I make a “meta” build but dont like it at all, got a level 250 Cleric 2, Priest 3, Chaplain, Plague Doctor.
I Enjoy plague doctor, but then, chaplain just sucks in end game, its scales really poor, and in pvp melee classes just suffer, and cleric melee suffer even more cause of the movment speed. Plague D. is great, healing factor is pretty OP, bloodletting is “ok”, oracle and dispellers can do the same, incineration in my opinion just sucks.
What I want to reset? Only Plague and Chaplain, for Bokor 1 and Kabbalist 1.
Now Im already in level 80 with my other cleric, cause i need to replay ALL the same quests, mobs, maps, missions, dgs, with basically the same class and skills… Just sad.
And no one can tell me (oh its because u screw up your build cause you dont serch).
:d

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Start a new PVP Support or no?
#339

I agree with the idea of a circle reset, we must spend so MUCH time to reach max level, all the achievements, adventure points, etc, for what? So that they can nerf our class to the ground? Or we choose a wrong class because of a bad description of the skills at ranks 6+ and we are forced to reroll?

But, the feature must be made with some restrictions of course, to prevent abuses.

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#340

Full resets are an awful idea. Resets or respecs need to have limitations on them so that you can’t go from a full support to a full dps with zero work. However, I don’t agree that you should have to reroll if your build doesn’t work. This expectation just shows how bad the balance of the game is.

Respecs/resets are not required for this game to survive. I think a lot of people will stick with this game even though the balance is completely broken. Most will play the op build of the month and act as if the game is fine. Many will bot the crap out of this game when it goes F2P as they’re already doing.

Here’s my solution to respecs:

This whole thread is pointless. Resets would ruin the whole point of circles. Respecs won’t be implemented because it’s too late to make that big of a design change. Also, lots of people are against the idea because for some reason they believe repeating 200 levels of questing is fun and want to force that on others. The devs will stick to their guns as if the game was meant to be “hard” (build reliant) and force you to reroll. Quit now if you don’t want to reroll ever or can’t handle your build being nerfed.

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#341

Honestly i dont want to see circle resets… i dont want anyone just seeing my build and right away reseting there circle because of how good my build might me.

I spend hours theory crafting/video watching/researching my build for someone to just copy it in 10mins without any effort.

On Top of it, how about fix the reall problem like removing “Potential” loss from transferring items between characters on your account and giving you at least 10 slots free in Team Storage to be easily be able to transfer equipment between characters, or things you want to give to your alt. X)

#342

"10. Team Storage functionalities are changed:

Moving items to and from the Team Storage will not use up your Token’s number of trades
Equipments do not lose Potential, and consumables and materials do not gain Total Untradable points.
Untradable materials could be stored and taken out before. This has been fixed.
You still need to use a Token to access Team Storage; this requirement has not changed."

This will be implemented in the coming 24 maintenance.

#343

Circle reset as a solution for inconvenient builds, just by personal mistake or changes in game mechanics because of a patch, is like killing people as a solution for sickness.

The less changes in the game as they had planed it, the better. “Balancing” is almost always getting things worst and what people don’t get is some things are worst and some others are better for every class, each class is good for something and for for other things, that’s balance, not “everyone tank, hit and do everything the same” like other mmo’s.

#344

lol stats reset potion and circle reset makes no diff… u can go str-con as cleric or int-con then switch to full support late game… doesnt looks same way ? fastest class and change later not really matter too… =/

also sometime ppl need that cause they screw up the current 1 after invested 300 hours on a char… u expect him to start again new 1 ?? u not gonna get a degree or master in TOS. ppl jus play game for pleasure… lol

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#345

And that’s the main problem with people that don’t want resets, they think their classes are going to be the same forever.

IMC made a lot of mistakes in the class system, Swordman dps is to weak, wizards dps are too strong, and the other classes are “ok”, probably IMC are going to change all that given enough time, swordman will be buffed, wizard are going to be rebalanced, clerics and archer are going to change a litle bit too, and for what IMC is showing us, when they patch it, they are going to do it wrong.

Imagine if they buff swordman so much that it goes stronger than other dpses, then we will have the dps problem we already have, but in the opposite, everyone wants swordmans in the party and no one wants archers, maybe you’re a mage, and they remake the damage calc and you get too weak, now you have a “useless” character, if they change cleric or archer classes into a way you don’t like your class anymore, then in those cases we will have 3 thing happening, lots of new characters, lot of quitting or all the “no reset people” are going to change their minds,

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#346

Honestly i build my character for what is good now if they change it my build wont suffer. Cause when new Circles come out it be whole new meta of what good and what bad, and if i have to relevel that wont be a problem. It honestly doesnt take long to level, especially once you get the routes/were to go/idea what gear to aim for. Takes me under a day to get to level 100 now that i figured out the route/dont read story cause i know it. Plus i got Arde Daggers now, anything past 75+ it going to be even faster now.

I am yet to find a party that doesnt want my archer in there party, heck i even saw more msgs on world chat for archers than i did for tanks.

my character usually ends up stealing agro, and than i just kite and tank bosses for the party. Honestly you dont need tanks in this game, they only good for is shouting aoe taunt to gather enemies that about it.

only time when you take damage in this game if you made a mistake or got taken by a surprise by bosses’s attack. But you should have at least enough con to survive 2-3 shots from a boss.

#347

No class reset ? OK ! What are you going to do when you super uber builds 300+ lvls been nerfed. Wanna see how you doing rerol and lvling new charas. Only stupid idiot against circle reset BECAUSE THIS GAME is not balanced this clases is not balanced. BEACUSE THIS GAME waiting more balance/classes changes and when you 300+ lvl you dont want doing rerol because developers doing mistakes. Why i must pay my time/money for developers mistakes ? Answer me all who say “no reset” ?

#348

just stick with ur choices you picked that class and you complain it got nerfed sooo what the point is tooo have fun even if they nerfed your class just enjoy the game stop whining

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#350

this is not a moba classes are used for different things.

TOS core is leveling and grinding.
job Resets would be suicide for the game
turn this game into another WoW clone or generic MMORPG
old players would not return to the low level maps
destroys the class system where there were 4 class in the game
which it was the reason for the failure of RO2

#351

Hoes does this statement

Mean

?

And why do you believe thats what we think?

#352

The problem with this game is the players/lack of balance in release tbh

“Omg, he has no peltast in his build, don’t invite him, he’s useless.”

Later patches

“Omg, mages are so WEAK, forget about them, just invite some swordies/archers”

Right now, the swordies(without peltast) are being ignored by the community in party play. Who’s going to be the next one?

At least, we should get a BIG exp bonus for lvling an ALT(not that 5% team bonus shit), when we have another character high level. Or allow us to circle reset.

Just think of this, you do your cookie cutter build, Wiz 3, Ele 3, Warlock, then they nerf quickcast to oblivion and make it useless. What will you do? Lvl another character to 280? 360? 500? Or be forever excluded by the community, cause your build is “■■■■”.

Not everyone has time and willingness to keep lvlin alts, keep that in mind.

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#353

The fact that it is not possible to change classes is a fact I really love about this game. It makes people more considerate when they choose their classes, so I really hope they will never implement an option to do so. it is kind of like in RL, you choose a job and without going through a new training you can’t just switch jobs. So if u choose your job because it is wellpayed at this time you can get screwed over when the market changes.

So all those who just picked their class because it is op, they kinda deserve to get screwed later on, it is early access so it is natural that the game still changes.
I chose my classes because they are fun to play for me, even if they change them, I still would like to play them.

The only time it should be possible to change classes is when skills are moved between circles, changed in a mayor way (like synergies between classes) or completly removed.

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#354

In RO blacksmith and alchemist were useless for party grinding or hunting of boss, but very good for WOE or comerce , if you wanna having a blacksmit level 99 you had to ask your friends to help you because otherwise it was impossible, TOS is such games

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#355

Like in RL? Well, in real life, you can change your job, your life style, you can change everything, that’s thousands of people who change their jobs, because it’s not getting paid enough. So i don’t think it is a good comparison.

Like i said, we should be able to change the circles, but not without a “training”, and you should level your class all again, just like you do in RL, when you change your job and needs to learn about your new job.

We are entitled to be able to change a class, because of a bad experience. For example, you arrived at rank 7, but you hated plague doctor. So are you just going to reroll? Good luck with that.

This isn’t only about OP classes getting screwed later on. And as i said before, there should be restrictions, so you shouldnt be able to change circles more than X times.

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#356

Yep, but they were still very good for WOE or commerce. What about swordsman without peltast? They are useless in both PVE and PVP. :confused: sad but true.

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#357

Lol you should read a post before u answer^^ I just wrote that it is not possible to change a job in RL without another training. If a player looses all his class xps after redoing a circle it is fine with me, but way to go with a 280 char without an appropriate class lvl.

Yeah, actually i would reroll, I don’t care about it, had to do the same thing while playind D2. That is one of those things I love most about old school games, you take a wrong turn you can try to fix it or start over. You don’t get a lollypop and a pet on the head everytime something goes wrong for you. You have to consider your choices bacause they are final.