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Archer Re-balance Topic

I guess he meant relative relevance really, in your examples:

10 w.atk + 600 atk = 610 dmg = 915 c.dmg = 15 + 900 --> 98% c.dmg from STR
1000 w.atk + 600 atk = 1600 dmg = 2400 c.dmg = 1500 + 900 --> 37,5% c.dmg from STR

10 w.atk + 1500 c.atk = 10 dmg = 1515 c.dmg = 15 + 1500 --> 99% c.dmg from DEX
1000 w.atk + 1500 c.atk = 1000 dmg = 3000 c.dmg = 1500 + 1500 --> 50% c.dmg from DEX

Even at 100000 w.atk
100000 w.atk + 600 atk = 100600 dmg = 150900 c.dmg = 150000 + 900 --> 0,6% c.dmg from STR
100000 w.atk + 1500 c.atk = 100000 dmg = 151500 c.dmg = 150000 + 1500 --> 1% c.dmg from DEX


I guess something like 5000 w.atk would be the usual end-game value, in that case we’d have:

5000 w.atk + 600 atk = 5600 dmg = 8400 c.dmg = 7500 + 900 --> 10,71% c.dmg from STR

5000 w.atk + 1500 c.atk = 5000 dmg = 9000 c.dmg = 7500 + 1500 --> 16,67% c.dmg from DEX

In this example, and considering average damage alone to be the relevant factor here, DEX would be favored for crit chances>50%. Otherwise, STR would give a better DPS output.

For how are the stats now i can see an allocation like this:

1 Cons you need for survivability
2 Spr you need for SP pool.
3 (if you need it) Dex to increase ATK of 0 CD / AA
4 Str for better average

Caster replace str with int

ofc it is a general talk and there are some special classes that may don’t need invest in CONS or SPR thanks by some ability, but it apply to the most of cases.

I myself would like to try a good average in dex for 0 cd skill, SPR for spam it, and after STR or DEX depending on how much crit we can land.

If crit 80% + = DEX if not = STR.

just my thinking maybe is wrong or don’t apply for everyone.

Then you’re gonna miss/get blocked, can’t chesse accuracy anymore with overrefine trans gloves.

Good point. But for accuracy usually is simple. Find the cap and gg.

I think Archer with +50 from leather set can be less punishing for not invest on STR.

But also thinking that for make worth DEX need 80% crit + if we will need heavy accuracy for not miss for sure STR is the way to go.

Dex can come back in topic as defensive stat.

we can also be full hybrid str for accuracy dex for eva cons for hp spr for sp xD 90 pt each and gg.

high investment in con is stupid imo, even if monster hit more often, everyone has more base hp than before and also hp/sp potions heal more than before (we can even use alchemist and npc potions at same time on different cooldowns), wasting a lot of stats on con for extra unnecesary survivability when you could have more STR/DEX (i ALWAYS will get 50 spr however as the sp regen is extremly useful). Str still can give over 700 total attack, is not as much as weapon? still can be over 5000 more damage depending on skill, on some cases it can even be 9000 more damage. even if the damage boost is less, a guy with high str/dex that knows how to play the game better will do more damage and recieve less damage than the CON freak who thinks he wont survive otherwise.

you might want to edit this

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I was thinking to the CON because we lose all Evasion. (if not invest in dex)

Usually archer have 80% dodge vs normal melee monster (not archer type that have much more accuracy).

So with low dex we get hit much more often and need few more hp?

just a question i’m not on test so i don’t know.

Also ppl is basing survivability on what? 330 map? may need for ET more HP?

ERR:

Eva useless = more hp. or with the changes, we can safe skip both evasion and hp?

I can focus only on STR and SPR?

at lv300+ with no CON invested, my char has around 18k HP already. I think you should focus on STR only. SPR is even no needed.

So silver sink potion is our new meta ? xD RO times are back.

Isn’t it funny how adamant IMC was that “tos is NOT the spiritual successor of RO” and as it “improves” it becomes closer and closer to RO.

Anyway, If you are gonna invest in pots, you may as well invest in 1sec hp regen instead.

the SP consumption is not high as IMC said. It is still the same or higher abit compared to the current iTOS.

Latest ktest patch reduced SP consumption again. Before it was a lot worse.
I still support str archer + ellaganos card :confused:

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glass mole with double sp pot not worth? or it is changed?

also werewolf ward is the same?

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/items/644061
nothing changed

can somebody tell me what has runing shot changed? really thinking to take qs3 when im going full dex rogues

In conclusion regarding new build for archer, no conclusion.

LoL

Does Swift Step still increase the Moving Shot Movement Speed?

If the 0cd skills nerf remains, are u guys thinking in a new archer build to clean the dun 170? I dont think fill with oblique shot would be a good idea

Has Mergen’s Expanded Range attribute been corrected?