Alchemist | GemRoast Cost | PriceWar Declaration

[Dragonfang]

To all alchemist, out there. I plan to start a price war. As due to human nature, we are naturally inclined to undercut one another. Hence, my proposal will be as follows:

(1) For everytime I see someone undercut someone else, and if roast cost is at less than 30k; I will post a free “non-profit” MAX Lvl gem roast cost during the weekends.

(2) Whilst during the weekdays, to see if anyone regulated prices. I will post double my recommended price at that time.

As such, I will jump from a price range of 6k to 48k/60k depending upon alchemists gemroast price.

Feel free to complain/make a suggestion. If any alchemist complains (show me your ign at klaipeda), I will stop before I implement it provided your reasoning is sufficient. Of course, once i start, I’m locked in for at least 3 weeks.

Deadline for complaints: June10th, 2016

Either we earn our due, or we earn nothing at all. ; other than that, enjoy the “free” gemroast.

~~ Dragonfang [Klaipeda; Fedimian Ch1]

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June 6th entry

To all alchemist, as to clear misunderstanding before the actual date arrives. Please see my requests out of each of you below. A. Before June10th; you are free to do as you always have. And inform me of a better idea/suggestion. Overturn my logic and provide me a good reason to not proceed. I desire change, and action is needed for it. B. At and after June10th; please see below. I’ll start monitoring FedimianCh1 on the weekends, and if someone is spotted undercutting and with less than 30k…

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June 13th entry

June 13th, update; Roasted around 200 gems of which is around 40players on the weekend at Fed1Ch1 with 6k “non-profit” roast. As for those who still earned roasting during the weekends, please take note that players do not mind paying that much of a difference in roasting. Going less than 30k in which players will gladly pay is only to your dis-benefit. I’ll go back to 38k pricing and re-check if alchemist complied with 30k min. price at FedCh1. You have till friday, else ill post “non-profit…

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June 18th entry

June 18th update, Due to the some alchemist still posting less than 30k price on Fedimian Ch1. I’ll extend the non-profit roast by another day (3days in total as of now). I plan to continue this pattern, and may extend non-profit roast by another day (+1 day) the following week as well.

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June 21st entry

June 21st update, Posted 6k “non-profit” for 3 days till tuesday (maintenance). Number of roast have dropped dramatically, only around 80 total roast with the number of players only approximately 20ish (multiple roasts by a single player). An interesting thing happened though, a kind individual used my 38k roast twice on early saturday when no other alchemists are present. Thank you generous player; And after a few hours, another alchemist posted 5800silver roast cost for a few hours on satur…

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June 29th entry

June 29th update, Posted 6k “non-profit” for 4 days till wednesday. Number of roast have increased from previous week, with around 120 total roast with the number of players approximately 30ish (multiple roasts by a single player). On early saturday, I thought for a moment that only 1 alchemist was left at “15k roast”. As such I maintained my “38k” roast for about 8 hours to see what will happen… until another alchemist posted a roast price below his >,<. Thus, I then proceeded to open shop w…

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July 6th entry

July 6th update, Posted 6k “non-profit” for 4 days till wednesday. Number of roast have decreased to around 60-ish total roast with the number of players approximately 20 (multiple roasts by a single player). Something interesting happened, as a single player used my 38k roast once. Thank you. Will continue my campaign, Alchemist price awareness has grown to almost the entire sever since I’ve started. Ans I want standardized min. pricing on roast on Fed.town Ch1. PS: I am plagued by frequen…

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July 13th entry

July 13th update, Sorry for the late update. Posted 6k “non-profit” for 4 days till Wednesday(July13th). Number of roast have decreased to around 40-ish total roast with the number of players approximately 15-ish (multiple roasts by a single player). PS: I plan to extend the number of days by an additional +1. =(

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July 21st entry

July 21st update, Posted 6k “non-profit” for 5 days. Number of roast is only around 30-ish with the total player roast of around 12-ish (multiple roast by a single player). There is some progress on FedCh1 pricing as the minimum amount for the last 2 days was at min. standard pricing. I will be implementing a suggestion from a fellow alchemist, and will postpone/ put on hold this pricewar for 2 weeks to see how alchemist in Fedimian Ch1 will handle things. Hoping for a friendly resolution am…

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August 8th entry

August 8th update, Scanned “Klaipeda server: Fedimian town”, and found no alchemists are present . Probably because of maintenance, even though its been a couple of hours past it >,<. To inform, contact between klaipeda-alchemist has been difficult with most refusing to converse if at all. Also, I have noticed that there are a growing few of alchemist offering cheap roast (less than 9k, 24/7). As such, even though I am striving for a 30k minimum standard pricing for all alchemist; I …

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August 16th resolution

August 16th resolution, Good Day, Alchemist of Klaipeda server. For the movement of standard gemroast pricing, I withdraw. This campaign from June 2nd till today August 16th, one that have lasted for more than 70days has no more meaning. Though I desired an outcome of 30k minimum roast cost to which I offered 6k/38k intervals for price regulations. More than a few alchemists have chosen to offer 6k pricing “non-profit” as the standard. When this campaign was started, we held onto the fact th…

[tsigetartseht]

Thank you for your sacrifice
Please do note however, that not many ToS players actually read the forums

[Dragonfang]

Understood, I shall advertise ingame as well. =)

[ImVeryJelly]

Gem roasting fees & why theyre so expensive

So can someone explain why most gem roasters set absurd prices like 10k-15k when it cost 1x 3k silver (Calcite) to do so? I understand the 50% tax involved so lets calc this. You spend 3k per calcite and charge 5k per roast (this is considering the cheapest ive seen usually 15k) The roast therefore cost 10k because of 50% tax. You make a sell. 10k minus 50% = 5k then discount 3k for calcite you just made 2k per gem for being afk. Alright lets add the 15-20k normal prices seen. 15k - 50% = 7.5k…

now you two have fun, remember to use protection.

[lemaitre_dulotus]

Same thing will happen on Fedimian once I’ll be R2.
And I’m considering to do the same thing for the pots…

[tiffanyzh989]

Yes please :3

/20YearsTillAlchemist

[etienne.belanger2010]

Too bad it won’t have any effect because they’ll just switch channel. Personally on my alchemist, I prefer to go on a low populated channel (3-4) and be alone to sell the roast. No competition that way, and still sells fairly good (I put my price at 20k atm).

[Dragonfang]

Please understand, my actions will not change the outcome. I am only a catalysts. Either we go into a mutually beneficial relationship, or mutually assured destruction.

I’ve already taken into account both suppliers and consumers. People are willing to pay for a max level gemroast for 30k; as at those levels where max gemroast is needed, it only takes 10min at most to earn that amount at a grinding party. Now, alchemists takes a long time to level to rank7, and I assure you it should not be worth pennies.

If alchemists are willing to earn pennies as profit, then I’ll take it from you. “Free” gemroast to all is where we’re headed.

As such, I repeat…
Comply to my demands or understand the reality of how brutal a free-market system can be.

[Abel_Orihara]

I do so hope you are on my server so that i may flip through channels as i do once hourly and set signs around your shop directing players to a decently less then 1/3rd your price roasts

[Abel_Orihara]

So far I have both US servers shops down to decent pricing. Both gem roasts around 10k or less, buffs at 1k weapon enchants at 1k for highest smith. And personally i cant imagine anyone uses players over npc repairs so i dont bother that.

I set shop twice daily all 24hrs and check all channels all shops in town every hour. Not a single scammer gets a sell with which i dont have a redirection sign next to their scam shop.

[Dragonfang]

Welcome, feel free to post a 6k shop in klaipeda as well. “Free” roasts for everyone!

[tzxazrael]

Either we go into a mutually beneficial relationship, or mutually assured destruction.

or you just confuse people and they learn to ignore your shop, because they don’t understand your crazy rules, or why your prices are always so weirdly far off of everyone else.

for a moment there I thought you were insulting me.

only for a moment? i can’t imagine why you would stop thinking it.

weekends: “i will undercut everyone in sight.”
– you can charge as little as you like for your shop. if you charge so little that you -lose- money on the transactions, no one will care.

weekdays: "i will charge unreasonably high prices."
you can charge as much as you like for your shop, people will just ignore you. you will not make any money, and still, no one will care.

questions for you:
–why should anyone care? if you have insane, and wildly variable prices, people will just learn to avoid your shop.
–who do you imagine is listening? of the tiny handful of people who have read this thread, how many are even Alchemists themselves?
–what on earth do you imagine “free” means?

id·i·ot (ˈidēət) noun informal
a stupid person.
example: he claims to be giving away “free” gem roasts, but is charging 6,000 silver. doesn’t that idiot know that “free” means “without cost”, and -not- “without profit” ?

Comply to my demands or understand the reality of how brutal a free-market system can be.

simple translation: “do what i say, or ELSE!”
…and yet you seem to completely fail to realize how simple it is to entirely ignore you.

you’ll earn nearly nothing on the weekends, because you undercut everyone steeply.
you’ll earn even less on the weekdays, because no one is going to go to a shop that is hugely overpriced.

[DarkNova]

I don’t think you understand what’s going on here. If nobody complies, nobody’s going to ignore him - they’re going to use his shop. After all, why are newbies going to pick the Alchemist who charges more than the minimum cost (6k)?

Dragonfang is going to be the one who charges that 6k and unless you want Alchs (including you if you are one) to eat that 6k loss on every roast, be our guest and expect 0 cost roasting! A business operates on profit and zero profit is still more than negative profit. If people try to profit, he’ll just set up a 6k shop.

Resorting to ad hominem while lacking comprehension, smh.

[tiffanyzh989]

Higher level players prefer squire repairs, since higher level gear costs way more to repair at an NPC than at a squire.

Are you sure you have a character at a high enough level to set up a shop?

[Abel_Orihara]

You are basically just another moron who has no idea how to build correctly. So let me give you a piece of advice from someone who solo’s all their instanced dungeons in about 20minutes maximum on a bad day using a melee cleric.

Higher level equipment does not always make you stronger. If you are paying high prices while obtaining less then most lower lv gear offers then that is your own fault.

[tiffanyzh989]

By the time you got to that level though, you should at least know that it costs less to repair high level gear with squires, even if you yourself don’t use high level gear.

For someone claiming to “have both US servers shops down to a decent pricing,” like you by yourself manage the market, you seem to know very little about squires and the classes that do benefit from high level gears and weapons. True, it does not always make a class stronger, and some classes benefit more from low level equipment, but there are also classes that do benefit from high level gears. If you “cant imagine anyone uses players over npc repairs,” your lack of knowledge about other classes makes me worry about you trying to manage the player shop market.

It’s also quite concerning that you want to control market prices, but don’t even realize that some people do use squire repairs.

[fesvillar]

Since I just want to see the world burning and dont even make my money from gemroast I will make NON proft gemroast MAX level all days 24h at klaipeda ch2

Cya

[tzxazrael]

After all, why are newbies going to pick the Alchemist who charges more than the minimum cost (6k)?

right but he said he’s only charging that on weekends. and on weekdays, he said he’s going to charge double what he considers a “standard” rate.

idc either way. at 6k he makes nothing, because he earns zero per sale.
at 60k he also makes nothing, because no one is going to use his shop.

and every other alchemist on every other channel is free to just ignore him and keep charging their normal prices, because a lot of people just won’t bother changing channels a million times to price check every shop.

[DarkNova]

Except he said if anyone undercuts the prices he’ll put one up for 6k anyway. What’s so hard to grasp about that? It’s either everyone profits or nobody does. I even repeated that in my post. Comprehend, much?

[tzxazrael]

Except he said if anyone undercuts the prices he’ll put one up for 6k anyway.

(1) For everytime I see someone undercut someone else, and if roast cost is at less than 30k; I will post a free “non-profit” MAX Lvl gem roast cost during the weekends.

Comprehend, much?

do -you- ?

also…

and every other alchemist on every other channel is free to just ignore him and keep charging their normal prices, because a lot of people just won’t bother changing channels a million times to price check every shop.

read -fully- before questioning others’ comprehension.