Hey black ghost… There is a program a few posts above… Design was guided by a masters in math(who said we should build it by simulation). The OP’s weapon is a 750:10,000 chance… 7.5% chance of it happening that way.
Not only that weapons above 15 should be fairly common occurrence if you have the 25mil to make them.
The times when you should call hacker is people with max potential and +15. That in that case… we can use normal math and it comes out to a .4% chance.
Yeah, I saw. I was referring to the +23. but had mentioned the +15.
Also, seed a number (like time) instead of just using Math.random(). You’ll see that you’ll get the same results every time if you don’t.
So I’m actually part of the 0.4%?
he got +25 his Rod already. ^^ Congrats 
If you got one legit yes. Pretty suspect though.
Well, if you do have your suspicions can ask the devs to investigate. At least when things are cleared no one will suspect any more. Don’t understand why all the witchhunt over here, as if players who got the items via legit ways and means deserve the name-calling and are hunted down like they are of lower hierarchy than others.
Worst is after all the hoohaa and everything is declared with no cheat, those accusers just walk away as if nothing has happened, no apologies or anything. Sighz.
No I can imagine people are pretty bitchy about it on both sides. But you do understand you’re the 1 out of 206 that went and made the weapon and had it happen legit. With the prevalence of hacks it’s much more likely that you did not acquire it legit. So you should probably be looked over by a GM. That’s just how it should be to clean things up. We’ve had too many exploiters to assume that less then 1% is legit.
And numbers beyond 15+ in that example compound the chance greatly if we continue to talk about maximum potential equipment or equipment that only has used potential on sockets.
It’s just the nature of the situation if you’re the one person out of 206 that got it legit. Sorry… But you should be understanding from the other side wanting investigations done.
Edit: unless you’re just talking about owning a +15 period? Because if you have used up most of your potential and got a +15 that’s not that rare. If you give me a specific piece of equipment I could have it run in the simulator to give you the chance of making it if you like.
And for those of you that don’t think that 1 in 206 exists… Remember the gambler’s fallacy.
We as humans are actually very bad at telling the difference between a faked set of coin tosses and a real set of coin tosses. You give a human a sheet with 100 coin tosses on it they’ill always identify with the one manufactured by another human not by reality. Because we think alike about this. We think that you don’t get a string of results often.
But in reality it’s pretty normal to in a set of 100 coin tosses to get 6 or 7 coin tosses all be tails or heads in a row. Which is 1% different then the potential system and high upgrades.
Don’t believe me? Go toss a coin 100 times and write down your results. Human’s suck at probability. And coin tosses is our favorite way to demonstrate how bad we are at it.
Yes I do understand with the exploits going on there should be investigations done, and I do encourage it too. Sorry Wingzard hijack your thread.
Here is something to help the devs to start looking:
This is taken after the extraordinary feat of 0.4% success, was trying out the 2 fail, 1 sucess but end up getting this.
Screenshot filename: 20160828090213_1.jpg
Date of screenshot: 28th Aug 2016, approx 9am server time
Location: Guild Hangout
Unfortunately I don’t have the weapon anymore, decided to try my luck a month later, here is the video. For a moment though… the weapon is more rare than 0.4% since is +16 with no potential loss :3
Dated: 29th Sept 2016, 1:45pm server time
Location: Fedimian Chn1
IGN: Nekorin
Server: Telsiai
Feel free to ask me anything for the investigation, I’ll do my best to help if I can.
It is just the tone of the the players who want the investigations to be done. I do understand that people are angry over exploits and unfairness, but do bear in mind that the accused are people too.
No one likes to be wrongly accused of things they didn’t do, moreover it is something which one should be happy about, like a windfall or getting a super low probability item upgrade.
:Edit:
Thanks @Raspy for the video and explanation. The video you posted is actually very helpful in helping me understand, so much unlike some other forumer who threw out sarcasm and expect others to understand what he/she is trying to convey.
Nothing much for him to convey lel, he just wants to accuse people and be talty that he couldn’t do it, and when asked why he just asks you to read a book. He must have hated books. Huehuehue
I do cordially invite you to investigate and prove your accussed individual that he is getting it by non-legit means.
I also had +15 and +14 lvl 1 weapons. But as soon as i tried to enhance higher lvl weapons i realised that this 51% is incorrect. I think that chances are lower for higher lvl weapons. Or at least my experience tells me so.
Regarding +23 item. It is really funny to watch that guy hiding from everybody when enhancing his weapon. I bet there was a friend ready to crash a channel if attempt was not successful .
Just wanted to point out one thing here,
showing a successful enhancement (from +22 ~ +23) is fine, but, actually it isn’t fine. how?
You see, the guy posted videos that he actually enhanced it successfully… or should we say, maybe?? he recorded like 4-5 times, where the other 4 video failed, crashed, roll-back, until he’s done it successfully. then upload it as a ‘proof’. does that make sense?
because if i were to enhance my gear and i know i am exploiting/crashing channel, i would do the same. ‘record myself with a successful attempt’ to show it as a proof, people are easily convinced with evidence such as videos.
now i am not interested if he did it legitimately or by exploiting. my point here is. his video enhancing makes it more suspicious about it. unless he got more vids to provide where he Fails from atleast 8 potentials down to 3. then i stand corrected.
edit1: i stand corrected… and with this, i hope everyone clears some suspicion over the guy… if you still doubt him, please submit ticket to IMC and let them do the investigation. as si mentioned earlier. we players, have no WAY to investigate on this matter.
You are correct it’s not necessarily legit. But in the case of the OP the math simulation support a 7.5% chance. Please review source code and math used above. Yes they should be investigated, no that doesn’t necessarily mean they hacked it. With the amount of weapons in the game people are over upgrading this kind of thing IS going to happen.
its not hack its called your jealous
Yes i made a mistake.
It was assuming you were lightweight autistic when youre a heavyweight champion autist that assumes “invalid because of sample size” when you dont know jackshit and that its hardcoded in. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Wait no you already did huehuehue
Its called exploiting something that wasnt meant to be that way. Inb4 “its only taking advantage of imcs mistakes” (hook64 argument).
For those more interested on the exploit (patched) google +25 grand cross
Im done with this thread. Got better things to do than argue with an autist (destine88)
Also @Raspy, nobody is goingg to be that stupid and enhance anything to +15 at full potential. Anyone with common sense is going to lower the potential to half before exploiting. Im not sayingg this is full on hacks, but highly unlikely
LOL at these people trying hard to erase the suspicion. Who cares if it is possible? Thats not the point and everyone knows that it is possible but improbable. Why are you defending so much that is possible when cheaters are all over the place?
Normal people with common sense will be contended with +15 and not risk it any further. Even +15 is highly suspicious because of blatant cheating all over the place.
The fact is, this is game so infested with cheaters. You dont have to defend your +20 plus so hard if you know yourself you dont cheat because it is normal to get suspicious XDDD.
Those people defending probably knows that IMC will only ban cheater if the community go nuts over it. Thats why theyre trying so hard to say that it is “possible” to pacify the community 
. Thats the only logical reason why they took the trouble to defend this siete.
It’s always in your best interest to keep going if you have potential left and money. That’s what 51% means.
You’re falling victim to gamblers fallacy. I explained that above… Why do you go look at the video?
Why would I remove my common sense where cheating are all over the place? Do you want me to rub the cheating to your face to know that common sense?
What does that even mean? Are you just raging? The amount of weapons getting upgraded 7.5% of them are going to end up like the OPs. Does he need to be investigated, yes. But that doesn’t mean he’s hacking. Sample size maters there are going to be people out there with these weapons legit.