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Unofficial Rogue Nerf Megathread + Class Discussion

Cafrisun Set is fine to use until you can switch to Roxona. Rokas Leather Armor can stay, no need to replace. Roxona Leather Pants isn’t worth it either so you can just use white gear for that.

For weapons, Seimos Crossbow + Arde can be a really good start. Khasti Bow is a very cheap 2H-Bow at Lv170 even though it comes with nice stats.

Honestly, it’s best you stop there first and focus on upgrading attributes up to around Lv50-70 before investing on gears again.

You’ll probably want a Khasti bow by level 170, it’s useful even at levels 230 and above. I still use it as my main bow at 235.

A strength pendant will also work great from early to mid-late as it gives you damage and crit damage.

These 2 items are VERY easy to get. Khasti bow/recipe is pretty cheap if you’re having difficulty farming it.

thank you and Dream, helpful!

Rogue is viable for Quarrel c3 ??

Yes, but stop at Rogue C1. Running Shot scales very well with STR build and with Rogue C1’s Sneak Hit, you can choose to invest alot more on STR than DEX.

thanks, what u suggest for rank 6~7 ??

Instead of suggesting at R6 and R7. I suggest going for this pattern, Archer > Quarrel Shooter C3 > Ranger > Rogue > Cannoneer.

Quarrel Shooter obviously lack AOE. Barrage isn’t enough to cover for that so you add Cannoneer for more AOE.

Quarrel C3 looks out of place with that build.Canoneer+Ranger low cooldowns mean you’ll barely make use of running shot…

You should also drop that solo build mentality(like downplaying Broom Trap because u need a wizz for lethargy bonus).Lots of unique things on this game get shafted by that.

Newsflash, every single wizz has lethargy attribute and every single party will have a wizz for high level content.

Thank you, but i will change ranger for scour or falconner, still viable ?? i need rogue 1 only for sneak hit, i’m full str, kneeling shot and swift step atribute would no help … sneak hit help much , even more I want to go pvp
sorry me horrible english HAHAH :joy:

The biggest problem of Quarrel Shooter is it’s too focused on single target DPS. Having Ranger and Cannoneer solves it’s AOE problems and the BETTER due to the low cooldowns since that’s what you would want if faced against beefy mobs especially when running Earth Tower.

You don’t always need to rely on Running Shot and it’s actually dumb to use Running Shot when the zerg rushing starts on Earth Tower.

It has nice synergy but not all skills with synergy means very high burst or DPS. That video shown 2 Boom Traps boosted by 2H-Bow Mastery and Lethargy YET the damage it did is still rather disappointing.

I do not have a solo build mentality as my new build focuses needing the help of a Cryo C3 for my Double Flare and needing the help of a Pyrolinker for lethal bossing DPS using Split Arrow.

If you’re willing to sacrifice Feint+Barrage combo then go ahead. I personally think it’s a huge loss.

I read through the whole thing, which was alot, and I may have been blind/missed something but did we get an answer to this?

I do have my new rogue with a low level sneak hit by now, and yeah, with barely any dex, sneak hit makes me crit very often, but I’d be curious to know how exactly the characters crit-rate is figured into it anyway.

lv 10/15 swiift step does it worth with full str build? The bonus crit rate is based on %, so… kinda useless

The crit chance is fixed additive to your current “crit chance” not “crit rate”, there’s a difference. So let’s say you currently have 30% crit chance, that’s around 300 crit rate on your stats, with Lv5 Sneak Hit, you’ll have 100% total crit chance BUT this can be reduced by enemy’s crit resistance therefore even if you exceed 100% through Sneak Hit, there are some bosses where you won’t crit all the time due to high crit resistance.

You answered your question yourself lol

I appreciate the response however this is a bit confusing to me. Is this saying with a level 15 sneak hit while hitting an enemy from behind you will always have at least a 90% chance to crit?

Yes but remember, even if Sneak Hit gives flat % increase, it is still affected by enemy’s crit resistance.

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But how would critical resistance modify that chance if all it does is subtract from your critical rate in the formula?

Actual Critical Rate = (Critical Rate - Critical Resist) * (42 / Character Level)

I think I would understand it more if sneak hit added critical rate or modified your critical rate but if it adds a set in stone chance, how is it the game determines how much to reduce that 90% by using the critical resistance.

Source: Critical rate formula (iCBT2 updated)

The answer to your question is fairly easy. You convert the crit chance of Sneak Hit into critical rate value depending on your level. After that add it to your base crit rate, then follow the original formula. This is just a hypothesis though but I personally tested this back on CBT2 where a Lv20 (glitched) Sneak Hit that grants 100% crit rate behind does not do criticals 100% of the time against high crit resist enemies. My stats were also resetted that time, no stat invested in.

Hey, I know this is probably not the place but I couldn’t find a better one. I’m a fairly new player and was thinking on going Archer > Ranger > Archer 3 > Rogue 2 and Cannoneer for my build. My focus is entirely PvE, mainly Earth Tower, but I plan on doing everything (PvE related). You guys think this would work? Is that competitive or do I have way better options? Have any tips? Should I go full str? 3:1 str/dex?

Also, I play pretty much full time with a fletcher 3 so bleed wouldn’t be a problem. With that said, should I get Vendetta or would it still suck? Capture? Is Feint 5 enough or do I go 10?

Thanks in advance and sorry for any grammar mistakes.

Vendetta is bad now. Rogue C2 isn’t worth taking for now due to Backstab’s nerf, it also locks you to Karacha Set which is bad since for off-hand, Mana-mana is the better choice or Agvara since you’re a Cannoneer.

Replace Rogue C2 with Falconer because Circling will help you do alot more AOE damage from Multi-Shot, Feint+Barrage and all your Cannoneer skills. When starting at Rogue C1, keep Capture and Sneak Hit at Lv1 then priority max your Feint for more targets. Then max your Sneak Hit, lastly, Capture.

For stats, you’d definitely want to invest more on STR due to Sneak Hit.

On topic: Updated the real reason behind Backstab’s weak damage output on original post.

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