Because it doesn’t grant you MS/joke
But actually, full/high CON builds mostly dominate in PvP, so your finestra will most likely be wasted, because you will never crit. You need to invest really much into crit in order for it to have positive chance and right now it’s not worth it, I think.
That’s why it’s better to focus on raw damage, CC and survivavlbility. So Cataphract is the best choice for Swordsman C3.
I think the main problem with Priests and PDs is the convenience they have in their ranks, allowing someone to pick both without sacrifices, and their buffs applying at full potential to the whole party.
The classes alone are not so strong at all, only filling their roles normaly, but combined they can be the best support in the game and have almost no counterplay.
Example:
If you build something like Cleric -> Priest3 -> Monk3, with stone skin you can be strong against melee classes, but will suck against magic and CC ones.
If you build Cleric -> Krivis2 -> Bokor3 -> PD, with bloodletting you can counter nearly every CC in the game, but will be punished when a Doppel catch you with cyclone or a musketeer with snipe.
And… if you build Cleric2 -> Priest3 -> Chaplain -> PD, you will have the strongest skill against melee, the strongest skill againt CC, and the best healing of all classes, leaving you open only for magic nukes, but with enough CON and revive, this can be countered too.
So, I disagree with nerfing the skills on the caster so much, but agree with nerfing them to the party, like halving the effects for them. I hope IMC create new especific classes with rank 4 or more status ailments and gears focused in high block penetration to people who want to counter Priests and PDs.
(sorry if I made some mistakes in my english)
lol is that zetsubou sensai as your icon?
I hope PD’s never get nerfed, as soon as they do, I’d have to reroll a new class because now physical classes become releant and I stand no chance in 1v1 now. I can’t even catch up to cata’s now I have 30second downtimes to do basically nothing? Yea i dont hope for this anytime soon. Which will probly be the case anyway.
Yeah, it is zetsubou sensei. 
I’m glad there is someone else who knows him. 
And your icon looks like Elsword’s Elemental Master. xD
Thats exaclty what it is 
The problem with these buffs is not what they do, but how long they do it for.
In the case of Bloodletting, there’s a measly 5 seconds of down time?
Near permanent CC(95% of cc’s) immunity for the entire party.
This isn’t balanced for PvE, much less PvP. Both the duration and cooldown need to be reduced drastically.
Strong buffs like these should be choices, not something you just maintain.
10s duration with 20s cd for both Bloodletting and Stone Skin would be more than enough for the skills to be ~incredibly~ strong.
Or drastically overhaul the classifications for CC’s. Mix them up so they range from rank 1-5.
So if those are going to get nerfed, does that mean we’ll get some sort of damage spell as well thats ranged and hurts? I want to at least try to 1v1 without dying to all means of damage. The whole point of plague docter was to be a single class that was useful to the cleric tree. It makes cleric tree worth it. You get rid of that, its not even a worth it class.
I’d be forced to go dps. But again, a nerf like that isn’t coming anytime soon anyway. (it just doesn’t need to)
I agree, in other games its always the chase that you (in pve and pvp) have to talk to your team or to read the situation and start to drop in strong buffs when you think it is in need.
having them just up and running makes not much sense.
I’m sorry, but support should never be able to 1v1 a class that’s not support.
Would you seriously complain about CC immunity 50% of the time? Do you even know what balance is?
thats weird, the same can be said about archer ranks that can 1shot, or mounts that give movement speed. Why are clerics the only class that get nerfed?
Lets make mounts a duration then, and archer 1shots around half hp. I’m ok with balance, but really… if some things are OP already, clerics should not be the only thing being looked at.
Only Musketeers have the capability of one-shotting anyone, and they cannot one shot (or even do any damage to) a team buffed by stone skin, or anybody smart enough to actually put a good amount of points into CON.
Maybe check this out, and see how PD makes an entire class completely useless.
PD and stone skin need to be nerfed, accept it.
Weird how glossing over having to dedicate points for con for a 1shotting class is just skipped over though, or that you didn’t mention the higher movemend speed on mountable classes.
PD’s might make some classes useless, but not magic classes, and the cc ability some physical classes have that aren’t affected by stone skin and bloodletting shouldn’t be glossed over either. I hear all the time some skills still work over it.
All i’m saying is, if you want to nerf us, make sure your favorite(whatever it is lol) class is nerfed to, because it needs to be.
Is he really that unpopular?
I mean, Shaft is one of the best anime companies out there)
No, skills just need to be normalized in arena pvp. Or altered to affect players differently. PD is a stupid concept that trivializes skill by making it have an aura that says “none of your skills work until I’m dead.”
99% of pvp problems would be solved by PD’s bloodletting having a significant drawback. Like, every time a debuff is removed/prevented, you lose 500-1000 hp (in pvp). Then at least half your skills don’t have zero effect.
Also, safety zone needs to have its block # reduced in pvp. It’s stupid having 100% guaranteed protection against everything. That, or there needs to be a way to body block or knock players off the safety zone.
I can work with this. Its a nice compromise. But the rest of what you said I do not. I think some people more qualified should be doing PD’s “nerfing” if we’re considering normalizing all classes, not just PD.
If you don’t dedicate points to CON in PvP in the first place, you deserve to get one shot.
And movement speed? SR is bad and obviously Cataphract needs to be powerful, otherwise Swordsmen would never do well in PvP. They need the move speed as a gap closer because they are a melee class.
PD buffs their entire party to be immune to the CC from magic classes. Without CC, magic classes face the same problems Archers face, minus stone skin. They are glass cannons. CC is their only defense. I applaud any CC that penetrates PD’s buffs.
My favorite class is Wugushi. Wugushi is already useless in PvP thanks to your class. Wugushi does not need to be nerfed, because it does no damage in PvP due to the existence of 0 CD antidotes, cleric’s cure, pardoner scrolls for cleric’s cure, and your #1 favorite PD making entire groups of players completely immune to our poisons.
You have to realize PD is OP. Stone Skin is OP as well, because it pretty much negates all damage from all physical damage classes. This makes the entirety of the Archer and Swordsman trees obsolete. If you want to PvP in ToS, for what reason would you roll anything other than Wizard or Cleric? Refer to my opening post, and this post here:
There is no such reason.
PD and stone skin need to be nerfed. Accept it.
whoooa, this biased opinion is super argument breaking friend. I get you said after that, that its a melee so it deserves that, but your saying one class should be stronger than the others? Cleric is melee too, so is monk and paladin.
The rest of your stuff: Its not that I don’t see that “stone skin” and “Bloodletting” (not PD) need to be nerfed, it’s just people are complaining things are OP when other classes are just as OP. All classes should be prioritized, not that just the one that affects your favorite class the most.
Most classes need a nerf, accept that too.
I was spitballing ideas, not running large scale testing simulations for how this would affect the whole population. If I was bored, I would program a simulator that compares relative hp values at max level to damage reduction buffs from the various classes and their relative uptimes. Then I would see how often certain changes in abilties would affect different simulations against other opponents.
Since I’m not doing that, I’ll just say that PD and Safety Zone need to be changed in pvp.
I was kind of mentioning your ideas in the “nerfing the class” topic (so i understand what your post is coming from), but I don’t agree with safety zone “needing” a change, other than that I see your just working on opinion. So its fine I guess… 
One of the two needs to be adjusted. Either bloodletting needs to be a single target buff, or it needs a drawback. That, or it needs a zone of coverage, that centers on the player. It should not be an almighty omnipotent win play.
As it stands, to be successful in pvp, a PD simply needs to run away and cycle safety zones while their team does all the lifting. (they don’t need to do this, they can actually push out some crazy damage too, but the option is there when they’re focused, google PD pvp videos on youtube for examples.)
The synergy between the two skills trivializes anything players can do to you. You can’t be CCed, so they can’t stop you from running. And if they do somehow catch up to you, you can delay with SZ until your team forces them off of you.
Healing factor and SZ are on perfect cycle cooldowns, allowing them to be constantly healing, or completely immune.
Now, if abilities that removed buffs/effects were prevalent. I would take all of this back, since counters would exist for the power curve. However, no counters exist (to this strategy). That polarizes the meta, and kills the strategy portion of pvp.