Top 50 in PvP on kToS

[SynysterOne]

The problem with these buffs is not what they do, but how long they do it for.
In the case of Bloodletting, there’s a measly 5 seconds of down time?
Near permanent CC(95% of cc’s) immunity for the entire party.
This isn’t balanced for PvE, much less PvP. Both the duration and cooldown need to be reduced drastically.
Strong buffs like these should be choices, not something you just maintain.

10s duration with 20s cd for both Bloodletting and Stone Skin would be more than enough for the skills to be ~incredibly~ strong.

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Or drastically overhaul the classifications for CC’s. Mix them up so they range from rank 1-5.

[ShyBoo]

So if those are going to get nerfed, does that mean we’ll get some sort of damage spell as well thats ranged and hurts? I want to at least try to 1v1 without dying to all means of damage. The whole point of plague docter was to be a single class that was useful to the cleric tree. It makes cleric tree worth it. You get rid of that, its not even a worth it class.

I’d be forced to go dps. But again, a nerf like that isn’t coming anytime soon anyway. (it just doesn’t need to)

[Gungnir]

I agree, in other games its always the chase that you (in pve and pvp) have to talk to your team or to read the situation and start to drop in strong buffs when you think it is in need.

having them just up and running makes not much sense.

[SynysterOne]

I’m sorry, but support should never be able to 1v1 a class that’s not support.

Would you seriously complain about CC immunity 50% of the time? Do you even know what balance is?

[ShyBoo]

thats weird, the same can be said about archer ranks that can 1shot, or mounts that give movement speed. Why are clerics the only class that get nerfed?

Lets make mounts a duration then, and archer 1shots around half hp. I’m ok with balance, but really… if some things are OP already, clerics should not be the only thing being looked at.

[korasai]

Only Musketeers have the capability of one-shotting anyone, and they cannot one shot (or even do any damage to) a team buffed by stone skin, or anybody smart enough to actually put a good amount of points into CON.

The Wugushi Problem

Wugushi is interesting, and I know it's listed as a support class, but it does do some damage, and because of that, IMC should consider making Wugushi viable for PvP. (In PvE, Wugushi is okay. No complaints here, though it is outclassed in some aspects.) As it stands, Wugushi is useless in PvP. Cleric's cure can remove each of our poisons, and Plague Doctor can buff their allies to be immune to all of our poisons entirely. Even without a cleric, there are antidotes that nearly everybody carr…

Maybe check this out, and see how PD makes an entire class completely useless.

PD and stone skin need to be nerfed, accept it.

[ShyBoo]

Weird how glossing over having to dedicate points for con for a 1shotting class is just skipped over though, or that you didn’t mention the higher movemend speed on mountable classes.

PD’s might make some classes useless, but not magic classes, and the cc ability some physical classes have that aren’t affected by stone skin and bloodletting shouldn’t be glossed over either. I hear all the time some skills still work over it.

All i’m saying is, if you want to nerf us, make sure your favorite(whatever it is lol) class is nerfed to, because it needs to be.

[Derael]

Is he really that unpopular?
I mean, Shaft is one of the best anime companies out there)

[funintern]

No, skills just need to be normalized in arena pvp. Or altered to affect players differently. PD is a stupid concept that trivializes skill by making it have an aura that says “none of your skills work until I’m dead.”

99% of pvp problems would be solved by PD’s bloodletting having a significant drawback. Like, every time a debuff is removed/prevented, you lose 500-1000 hp (in pvp). Then at least half your skills don’t have zero effect.

Also, safety zone needs to have its block # reduced in pvp. It’s stupid having 100% guaranteed protection against everything. That, or there needs to be a way to body block or knock players off the safety zone.

[ShyBoo]

No, skills just need to be normalized in arena pvp. Or altered to affect players differently

I can work with this. Its a nice compromise. But the rest of what you said I do not. I think some people more qualified should be doing PD’s “nerfing” if we’re considering normalizing all classes, not just PD.

[korasai]

If you don’t dedicate points to CON in PvP in the first place, you deserve to get one shot.

And movement speed? SR is bad and obviously Cataphract needs to be powerful, otherwise Swordsmen would never do well in PvP. They need the move speed as a gap closer because they are a melee class.

PD buffs their entire party to be immune to the CC from magic classes. Without CC, magic classes face the same problems Archers face, minus stone skin. They are glass cannons. CC is their only defense. I applaud any CC that penetrates PD’s buffs.

My favorite class is Wugushi. Wugushi is already useless in PvP thanks to your class. Wugushi does not need to be nerfed, because it does no damage in PvP due to the existence of 0 CD antidotes, cleric’s cure, pardoner scrolls for cleric’s cure, and your #1 favorite PD making entire groups of players completely immune to our poisons.

You have to realize PD is OP. Stone Skin is OP as well, because it pretty much negates all damage from all physical damage classes. This makes the entirety of the Archer and Swordsman trees obsolete. If you want to PvP in ToS, for what reason would you roll anything other than Wizard or Cleric? Refer to my opening post, and this post here:

Top 50 in PvP on kToS

Someone explained it to me like this: Wizards have the best CC, magic cannot be blocked/dodged, and they have huge damage. Clerics can prevent deaths and CCs, heal, resurrect, have debuff immunity, magic damage immunity, and stone skin. Since everyone can deal a decent amount of damage anyways and pvp is random match making, when you queue as a pure dps, you may just end up in a party of only DPS or bad clerics, so keep in mind that's a possibility of 4 other random players without any coo…

There is no such reason.

PD and stone skin need to be nerfed. Accept it.

[ShyBoo]

Cataphract needs to be powerful, otherwise Swordsmen would never do well in PvP.

whoooa, this biased opinion is super argument breaking friend. I get you said after that, that its a melee so it deserves that, but your saying one class should be stronger than the others? Cleric is melee too, so is monk and paladin.

The rest of your stuff: Its not that I don’t see that “stone skin” and “Bloodletting” (not PD) need to be nerfed, it’s just people are complaining things are OP when other classes are just as OP. All classes should be prioritized, not that just the one that affects your favorite class the most.

Most classes need a nerf, accept that too.

[funintern]

I was spitballing ideas, not running large scale testing simulations for how this would affect the whole population. If I was bored, I would program a simulator that compares relative hp values at max level to damage reduction buffs from the various classes and their relative uptimes. Then I would see how often certain changes in abilties would affect different simulations against other opponents.

Since I’m not doing that, I’ll just say that PD and Safety Zone need to be changed in pvp.

[ShyBoo]

I was kind of mentioning your ideas in the “nerfing the class” topic (so i understand what your post is coming from), but I don’t agree with safety zone “needing” a change, other than that I see your just working on opinion. So its fine I guess…

[funintern]

One of the two needs to be adjusted. Either bloodletting needs to be a single target buff, or it needs a drawback. That, or it needs a zone of coverage, that centers on the player. It should not be an almighty omnipotent win play.

As it stands, to be successful in pvp, a PD simply needs to run away and cycle safety zones while their team does all the lifting. (they don’t need to do this, they can actually push out some crazy damage too, but the option is there when they’re focused, google PD pvp videos on youtube for examples.)

The synergy between the two skills trivializes anything players can do to you. You can’t be CCed, so they can’t stop you from running. And if they do somehow catch up to you, you can delay with SZ until your team forces them off of you.

Healing factor and SZ are on perfect cycle cooldowns, allowing them to be constantly healing, or completely immune.

Now, if abilities that removed buffs/effects were prevalent. I would take all of this back, since counters would exist for the power curve. However, no counters exist (to this strategy). That polarizes the meta, and kills the strategy portion of pvp.

[ShyBoo]

Again, I’m not gonna really judge your opinions on how it should be nerfed, because I dont find randoms all that qualified, but I accept a nerf given other classes get the same in some “balance” patch.

[SynysterOne]

Again, I’m not gonna really judge your opinions on how it should be nerfed, because I dont find randoms all that qualified, but I accept a nerf given other classes get the same in some “balance” patch.

Why are you even on these forums? You obviously don’t want to discuss anything as you will just disregard any discussion we put forth.

Funny this only started happening when we started touching on your class of choice.

[ShyBoo]

It’s not about me discussing it either, I haven’t said I’m qualified at all. I disregard it because I don’t want a nerf, so i’m not looking to talk about it. Thats just my opinion, just like you hate how I don’t want to discuss, I’m over here saying i’m allowed to not want to.

Sorry syn your not a pyshic either, you have no idea what I might do either, thats a fact.

[korasai]

Why are there so many Kabbalists though, seriously? Does anybody know?

[Volkwin]

I miss this.