this is where your perspective is wrong, since it seems you have not read all my post.
please, there is not way that a swordsman can go against everyone, and archers can STILL BE KILLED even with low dex even if they are high dex, because simply the evasion cap and again i never said go FULL STR OR GO FULL DEX IN PVP, ever i?
to finish PVP in tree of savior you are not alone, you will never be alone, nor will the enemy team, trying to WIN against everyone in pvp , in tree of savior, is WRONG, and you are alone âonlyâ in duels, and like i said, there is no merit in duels, only league and gvg.
and please, i never said that you will be losing to archers and swordsman by going str, if you are just because you have str, you should not be at the top 20 because you can kill them even without going high dex, i have and i already went top5 in my server.
tl:dr : i never said go full str , nor i said go full dex, re read my post again, please and even worse, i never ever said that you will loose to swordsman-archer because you choice one of the other options, i said that you will do better in each aspect, be it killing swordsman-archer or wizzsup-cleric, i never said they are mutual exclusives, there will always be better players in each class, and once you fight against one of the best, the difference in build, be with str or dex will show the result and this is only when you fight the best in each aspect , but again this does not mean impossible to win, i just to not know where you took this from.
Correct, tell him to solo grind in workshop with high str build+level 10 DOV. wonât happen, youâll die because âsoloâ no supports, etc.
His build is /perfect/ for his team, he has supports to work with. Meanwhile my dex doppel can chill and receive 1 damage and not even needing pain barrier for elmas.
Also you can play STR doppel and NOT use DOV when you DONâT have supports anyway, so thatâs cool. Only use it when you have supports. You still receive 1 damage, but this time you need PB to properly cyclone on some maps.
magic damage will kill you anyway
add a 100 con and sold the problem. (partially)
the game has changed since Item Transcendence and R8 was introduced. if they donât change the base numbers on those abilities on the upcoming patches, Dex will out-dps Str. Doppel might be the only exemption, but then again, Item Transcendence can already give you access to high patk.
And full dex can not add 100 Con? May be just 70 or 60 only
First, *solve
What if I told you I do have nearly 100 Con? DOV and die even faster.
you are going to lose to clerics anyway, going str dex or full con. might as well be able to defeat other archers and swordies while still having the same chance to beat wizards and even clerics (stone skin cannot be uptimed so stop treating this skill as âyour worst nightmareâ you cannot build yourself around stone skin.)
going full dex, full str, or full int is bad for any build in this game. no matter what you are trying to do, having ONLY str ONLY dex or ONLY int is just bad.
i donât think a 10k hp person who is lvl 280 is very effective at dealing damage. Especially with magic mobs dealing 2k damage, or red spion archers who can literally 100 to 0 you in 1 hit.
building dex for defense in pve will never be effective you cannot rely on having only dex, no defense, and no hp. Magic damage is not that rare. Most demon maps deal magic damage anyway and they hurt.
a 8k hp fletcher who is lvl 280 is going to die no matter how much evasion he got, there is at least 1 magician mob at every map that probably deals about 2k damage. the ones at 260+ maps even have 100k+ hp.
Ok, Now you need 100 con, 160 Dex. So how many point left can you add STR? Oh itâs a Hybrid build every one. I thought this topic is about STR vs DEX
personally my swordsman have 160 dex 120 con and 208 str, this is my gear less stats at my lvl 280 swordsman, but i am a pvp player and not pve, i believe a pvp build should be hybrid and not stuck with 1 single stat.
what u guys recomend if I want to go high3-doppel3 build and Iâm a poor guy? PVE
haha, if you think cleric alone is enough to win against a swordsman, you truly need to play a little more, even more since you are a dragon, against a good dragon the cleric stone skin is not even the problem. after the nerf, this is utter crap, only FULL CON, cleric will possible have a block against a cata-dragon using twohand spear that have at least 200-250 str (not full str) and even them, there is no need to be afraid of stones skin.
you are having a lot of assumptions about the things i have wrote, so i will keep it every simpler for you, i have writing about the broad aspect of pvp in my topic, since exception will always have, mainly about team composition that is random there is not point citing specifically skills, or situations, and so on.
one true fact will be, cleric have a strong effect in ANY team than a archer, so by having the means to kill a cleric more efficient, will contribution more for you team than any other situation, if you have not seen this yet, i can only say that you need to play more pvp.
and by the end i simple put this back to you stop being afraid of misses even at evasion cap that is something fair hard to reach against a swordsman with accuracy set they can still be hit so stop treating this as âyour worst nightmareâ you cannot build yourself around one aspect of pvp
Go full Dex. Its hard to farm without any defensive stats on your char. Im a cata with 1.2k evasion questing at lvl 260 using only Cafrisun set and elements.
you want maxed damage as an archer you need dex.
This is not entirely true
âswordies is a class that build strâ
"archers are a class that build dex
this is not true
If you want to deal damage as a swordsman you need str period. you
cannot rely on crits since you donât get a crit bonus like archers
Relying on crits is a question of: do you have supporting players with you? Do you have items that make crit rate decent to a minimum? Do you have some dex?
dex is a matter of gear and stats together.
if you got the money for the gear go ahead. going full dex without investing into any other stat is still bad in my opinion. I just donât like pure builds who invest in 1 single stat. Not my type of thing.
having full dex and a cafrisun set at lvl 260 seems to be the reason you donât have any defensive stats, magic probably kills you in 2 hits.
Iâm a lvl 280 catagoon with 30k hp, and only 550 evasion and honestly i never had any problem.
Magic only hit 3k per hit, I have 21k HP. You can clutter them up then auto attack using restrain. Also why would i go there soloing if im dying by just 2 hits? Str or hybrid like yours cant pass blue spion archers right?
full plate set with plate mastery reduces their damage by a lot, their damage is very low against full plate mastery. Helps against both blue and red spion archers.
Having some crit resistance also helps against that type of mobs.
If you want to have good defense stats and overall tankiness and survivability having 25k+ hp is still a better investment especially in later stages where magic damage actualy hurt.
So now you should stop assuming people go full dex doesnât add any CON at all, ok?
You say STR is superior, but you have to add dex or build something luxury (lv7 crit gem, 7 dex card which 2 million silver each and a ton of other card to put them to lv 10) to crit anyway. You still get hit by magical mob and physical mob, and with DOV you reach nearly 0 def, and many of them will hit hard with 0 def player
While the other can just build DEX only and add up some CON, forget about physical mob, only deal with magical one. May be a full cloth help you when you get full dex. So what is your point?
Next time when you want your argument valid, just read every context of it, use the counter argument for the whole context, not just use a tiny fragment of the context to make the whole invalid.
And if you read all your answer, you can see some of logical conflct in it