Schwarzer Reiter C3 Tips and Tricks after patch

[Xerdie]

Any of you guys know what Addon is he/she using? The one that has a Glass Mole bar timer shown on the top of his/her screen?

[adrian.agulto.rn]

Muteki2 bro

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[marvinconman]

Hey, I’m kinda having problems with my stat ratio. For now I’m going for 2dex:1str. When I typed //ping (in Crystal Mine 1f with 2 ppl on the channel) the value I got was 0.093750. Is that good or bad? Should I switch to 1:1 ratio?

[Xerdie]

Never follow a x:y ratio of stats, ever. This is a bad idea. There’s always going to be a certain number that you need to do X, and if you don’t understand this and your ratio just happens to hit it, you’ll be in a bad place later, and that number will change. For example you will need enough STR for accuracy, this number is fairly low, 50 is enough really right now for almost everything, you can get most of that form 3 cards being STR and you just going full DEX.

Your best bet right now is full DEX for the attack speed since you will almost always be using Limacon, you’re not going to find a good calc/spreadsheet that properly calculates attack speed because it’s not something that’s well documented or publically well documented at least, going by the little that is available going full DEX will beat full STR all the time for SR3

Let’s not even consider extras you gain from scrolls/skills (Monstrance scales DEX nothing similar to scale STR), but you’ll be proccing your Manahas, Sacrament, etc more often as well, while these probably aren’t most of your damage they should be a good amount. If you’re ont he poor side (no Aspana, keeping Manamana) scaling Property Damage isn’t bad, and this benefits it more, think of it as an On Hit build in a MOBA/ARPG

Just some basic numbers given from the DEX bracket (search it) thread, at 0 DEX you have 1.7 HPS (Hits Per Second), at full DEX you’re going to have around 2.4 HPS, so that’s a 41% increase in Attack Speed. You can consider that as doing 41% more damage from Sacrament, Cafrisun/Manahas, Enchant Fire, etc as well as just doing 41% more damage overall, so the question just becomes if STR can keep up with that or not, it can’t, but you can run the numbers yourself to see.

Even at pretty bad PAtk (3k Patk)

Base: 2385
400 STR: 3557
400 DEX: 2904 (x1.41= 4904)

So yes, per attack it would seem DEX is weaker even at such a low value, but instead DEX is stronger when you account for attack speed, and by a very decent amount. It also means that as long as you are 1HKOing you are moving from one target to the next faster, but it also means you can’t use STR as a crutch to get to that 1HKO faster, so you will rely on your gear a little more to do so. This is where playing with 1HKO/2HKO factors in to where you want to hunt and which is better for that area and your gear, but honestly this isn’t a game where I’d go that far, although I’ve done it for other games.

Refer to @penetrosity post.
@LunarRabbit also agrees with the full DEX path.

Hi again!

I apologize for recommending 200 DEX without taking many tests and considering less things.

One important thing to note:

A 10-50ms full dex will be better than a 180ms ping on SR but that doesn’t mean it’s better to user lower dex. As long your ping isn’t really too bad you will benefit from ASPD just as well and higher DEX will most likely feel better for you in the end.

This is something I should have thought about / considered more when judging back then too. >_<

[marvinconman]

Ok, so with //ping = 0.193779 at Zachariel Crossroads ch1 with 2ppl, I should still go for full DEX?
ATM I’m lv 182 SR, 1:1 str/dex at 96 invested each.

EDIT: I installed a “FPS Savior” addon and this is what’s it showing me:

(if you can’t see the picture it says FPS: 43.54 (22.97 ms))
Izzat good or bad?

[myself]

it is alright, just go full dex

[WorldisMine]

im wondering if Ranger2 is actually needed. basically im going R2 for barrage and steady aim. the problem is that as SR i NEVER use steady aim because its 10 seconds of 15% dmg increase with 2 seconds wasted to even use the skill.

barrage is a nice skill but on high end mobs it doesnt do much, and it feels bad stopping just to use the skill and having to be right next to the mob

are there any PVE builds that are more efficient? im thinking A3, something, Appraiser, SR3

[greyhiem]

Archer3 (swift step 15), ranger 1 (steady aim), appraiser (overestimate) is fine. Tried this build, only necessary to cast steady aim before using retreat shot due to similar uptime. This build is just buffs + limaconAttacks + retreat shot. KToS limacon 15 duration and swift step duration are 5min. Must recast overestimate every ~45s though.

[Coobie]

as a reiter you’ll be mostly auto attacking so people tend to pick the classes with buffs. For example ranger’s steady aim/ rogue’s sneak hit/appraiser’s overestimate. Yeah the duration on steady aim is too low and the CD is too high but damage is damage lol. They could buff the duration later on who knows.

[jonrook49]

is limacon going to be nerfed after patch? level 15 limacon x 20 sec cooldown per level = 300 sec cooldown?

[Tigris]

Limacon

• Duration changed to 20 sec per skill level.

I believe you have read it wrongly. It clearly says duration here.

[rokaz]

It was Cooldown and has been fixed

Scheduled Maintenance for September 25-26, 2017

Sorry, it was a typo. It’s been fixed.

[jonrook49]

good to know it was just a typo error.

[Shingravirei]

Should I get a Double Stack or go straight for an Aspana? Currently I have a mamamana +7 with 0 pot(yeah i’m unlucky with upgrades LOL)

the problem is that recipe/aspana cost so much, and double stack is really affordable at the moment for me.

Thx

[Remiri]

I think double stack is fine, but I just use SR to farm 140 and random mats.

[mrkjordan_mararac15]

If you can’t afford aspana, getting double stack is perfectly fine. new 350 weapons will come out soon anyway so I suggest not to invest too much for now. Maybe up it til +11 and trans 5 but anything more is too risky for me.

[Shingravirei]

I see, thanks for the input!

[monsterrrous]

I have 970+ crit rate.and want to change some green gems to have more dmg and keep my crit rate at 860 to have critical change at 50% on high lvl mobs. But I will just change on xBow because all 8* gems on pistol now.

Right now with 6k+ patk (secondary) I can make 19-22k dmg on Kugheri monsters with limacon.
And with 2.6k crit atk I can make 42-48k dmg with limacon

6k / 19-22kdmg > < 2.6k / 42 - 48k dmg

That’s why I think yellow gem on xBow could be better for my dmg because my crit atk scales really good.
1 yellow gems = 590 catk, so 25% adding to my crit dmg?

How do you SRs think about it? And if you have a math on dmg of Limacon and other SR skills pls share them. Thank you!

[adrian.agulto.rn]

I think personally that you’re better off with yellows on main than green because you already have a hugh crit rate and the more you want to have crit rate is I think too much diminished returns

For my SR I still go greens on main because my crit rate is not that high

[monsterrrous]

Will yelow gems be better than red gems on my xBow?