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Say Yes to job reset

General Discussion
#391

From that reply I take that you have become completely closed to other’s opinions and views.
And btw, just saying I’m wrong without giving any reason of why you think I’m wrong doesn’t make you right. You need to bring or counter argument or your statement of me being wrong is just plain childish and unfounded.

My english level won’t allow me to decipher the meaning on this sentence. Who is the rest? Rest a circle to level one? Are we talking about skill reset now?
Take a minute to review your own replies please.

Non of US? Why are you twisting my post and saying it’s ours? And who is “us”? I don’t represent any group.

You mean to level something I would consider hard to level but good on high level though, right?
I can see Chrono Linkers and Thauma Linkers for example being imo a few of the low dps combinations that have a harder time leveling that dps builds on the wizard branch.

#392

Youbdo represent the grup that dont want there reset,or did i get it wrong? If i get it wrong then i am sorry.
Chrono Linkers and Thauma Linkers are hard to lvl?as for twisting what you say.i think i asked you and people that dont want the reset to show me in game somthing thay say is there.

#393

I don’t know what “suort”? are you misspell or internet slang?

one thing I talk about end game… maybe you said about change from DPS class to support class right?

I can’t say it bad or breaking the rule, just feel unfair for people who play support class at first…
It depend on how to use… example medicine can cure people but if use wrong way… it can be drug.

#394

so you are saying that if they added skill resets 25% of the games population would buy it…and if they didn’t they lose 25% of said populations purchase not to mention those who say “don’t want it” will buy it lets not kid ourselves.

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#395

Can’t be bothered to type again: Class resets should be availble

#396

The Solution to end this bickering - ~add job reset don't add job reset solution~

#397

I’m neutral on this. If it’s happening, find by me.Now I can switch to other build I want to try after getting bore with the current one.

If it’s not, just stay as I am, my current build still awesome :3

#398

How its unfair for people who play support?
You will be reset to pvl ONE ot what ever class/circle you want.then you lvl up from there.

#399

If a class reset is added to this game, I’ll no longer be playing.

#400

…and the family level is gone, since it resets to 0 if you delete your character.

Leveling up is not hard in this game when you know how to do it. However do not forget: if you claim TP items on a char, they are bound to it… Why do you want to force people to delete these characters just because they found out later that they screwed up?

Except that not every swordman is a tank. Did you see a shinobi lurking in the shadows with a shield? I hardly doubt that. Not to mention barbarian and other 2-handed classes. These are not for tanking. Tank-Semi-Tank-DPS.

So, that means the situation would remain the same as now. Currently there are build you can use and mandatory class picks too. Nothing would change.[quote=“wb37485, post:385, topic:232830”]
This game doesn’t require you to build certain ways to be viable.
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Please, show me your 200+ character. Cause that “every build works” only goes till then. After, you wont be any use of parties if you are…let’s see: not a tank as a swordie.

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#401

Why so . cant at last one of you people say how this will efect you in the game. Like ye you maybe no longer be in the top 5% of players but this is not what the game for.

#402

If they would bring group exp and aoe grinding elites back in line with other forms of exp, by removing the pointlessly large exp bonus; you would see less of this, I think.

RO didnt have this, yet groups were still a prefered way to grind exp. Why does ToS need a huge exp multiplier for groups?

It just helps force people into the mindset of ‘‘we need 1 of each class, and if you dont have this or that, you are useless’’

#403

So you do know that som classes will not be wanted.
Can you please post your character here or at last say what it is.
I for now build a dragoon using HL2 and cata3.

#404

It’s the players mindset that is mainly at fault here. But party exp bonusses and most of the exp coming from elites doesnt help.

My build is no secret, why should I post it he…oh you actually posted yours, that’s a surprise.
It’s Chaplain Druid2

If the issue is not being wanted in groups, then bring that up. Resets wouldnt fix that problem.
-Increasing spawns in most high level areas
-Removing group exp bonus (especially the part where it needs all classes)
-Giving monsters more exp in general

All of these things would help with that in both short and long term. Resetting your character would be nothing more then ‘‘bending over to people bullying you’’

Ask yourself, would you rather be wanted in parties because of your build even tho you don’t enjoy playing it, or would you rather have a fun build you do enjoy; without having to be penalized by -75% exp rate? Or even better, have fun with a build you enjoy, in a group with others that do the same…without being penalized by much slower exp rates?

For me personally, I’d rather play to have fun first.

#405

looks like i will take some time to read all this answers, but thx evebody for reply the thread

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#406

Some class dont wanted becouse they are not good at what they need to do. Like why take hunter or supper over ranger c2 or 3.why take a mage that dont have linker over one that do have it.some things just do more.

#407

How do you even build a swordsman that isn’t somewhat tanky? We seem to just have more HP than any other base class naturally. You don’t need to take peltasta to tank, you just have to not do a full strength build, why would you do full strength anyway? it’s a swordsman, a character that fights in melee, you want higher HP so you don’t get kill from being in a horde of mobs. So long as you have a decent healer and didn’t only stat strength like an idiot, your swordsman can tank perfectly fine.

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#408

There are many sw classes which are not meant to be tanks. Shinobi is one of them. If you think shinobi is a tank… Japan will riot!

Oh and please…go to the swordman forum and tell this to everybody that they don’t have to pick peltesta if they want to be able to tank. They will laugh at you pretty hard. Why are you talking about something when you don’t know anything? Honestly… :smiley:

Also, where is the class diversity? Why should be a barbarian go and tank when he is clearly a dps just as highlander? Corsair is not even close to a tank either. Yeah, for tanking…pelt is mandatory circle pick or you are not wanted on higher levels.

If I’m wrong, just go to the swordman topic and prove it to everybody…come on, time to shine.

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#409

That’s more of a class balance and player mindset problem. Swordsman has poor DPS in most of their trees. There’s a reason why people want tanks and not DPS in a lot of cases.

It was like this in the CBT with Linker. It was so over-centralizing that you had to get it. After a few reasonable nerfs, Linker is still great but by no means mandatory. If Peltasta is seen as mandatory for party play, then that’s a balance issue, not a class reset issue.

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#410

The issue is not “IF” someone “casual” screws up they’re not entitled to a reset, its the over-abuse taht will come out with it, and it only needs a SINGLE RESET, a whole guild of max level can change its format to achieve max DPS changing their easy-to-level classes to OP-but-hard-to-get clases, like wiz3>ele3>warlock1, linker3>chrono3, wizz3>linker3, pelt3>hop3. or any full support for that matter… “Oh we need an alchemist for my guild, I’ll just pop this potion since I’m the only one that didn’t reset yet and there you go” without any struggle that only alchemists know about when leveling up.

This idea is not a “time saver” is a “lazy saver”, you can just create a new char from scratch to “test an idea” or even look for it on forums/youtube and theorycraft… you’re asking for a private server feature, might aswell srtat playing at one

A macro is a “time saver” for casuals
A bot is a “time saver” for casuals
A scam is a “time server” for casuals
A range and/or speed hack is a “Time saver” for casuals
Just because is a “time saver” doesn’t mean is a good thing to have, specially in this game

That work on D3, FFXI, DragonNest, Wow? Thats good for them, but here on ToS just won’t work, the game revolves around your class choices and its circles, that means which part you’ll be taking on parties, banalize that just because you want to “to test an idea” or “only have 3 hours per week to play” will take away all the magic from this game, and turn it into a Hello-Kitty-Casual-Game, you better off some moba that you can get to “end-game” and test new ideas in the same match.

ToS is not for players from LoL or Dota Generations is for people that actually played older MMOs and know what a real MMORPG is meant to be played, no shortcuts to glory.