I agree. That’s also why I don’t think they’ll do it, and I certainly don’t hope they’ll do it.
…Then again, I’ve seen dumber things in other places, so I am not getting too hopeful lest my hope crumbles into dust
I think there is some merit to your idea… but I wonder if people would really pay $9 for 30% exp bonus, +3 movement speed, and being able to learn 2 attributes simultaneously. It seems kind of expensive… considering you could practically sub another mmo for that cost…
That said some people are more than happy to pay any price for any advantage they can get over other players…
Ok, what if they added +20 to all stats on the second token? JK. They could move some if it around though.
I’m actually happy with how it is now. Just thinking of ideas that would make others happy too.
Personally I would be okay with things if they kept tokens as is and made cash shop vanity/costume only.
What I am not okay with is the need to have high token costs AND have a cash shop with many ‘gray’ transactions… I literally can’t even think of any mmo with both expensive monthly ‘subscription’ type service AND a cash shop…
Yes yes, companies need to make money, but then you wonder how companies exist that only sell costumes/vanity AND are completely f2p. It makes the whole devs need money argument sound really foolish.
TOS store reminds me of ESO store, minus the enchantment scrolls. You pretty much have a choice between B2P or subscription.
ESO store works like this:
$60 to buy the game
$20-30 for each DLC
Cosmetics
Mounts
Convenience items
Skill/Stat reset
They also have a crown membership which is:
$15 a month
Gain 1500 crowns ($15 worth of premium currency)
Access to all DLC
10% bonus xp
10% bonus crafting inspiration
10% reduced trait research time
10% bonus gold gain
Similar, but different because TOS is F2P… even though me and a ton of other people already spent $50 to play this game. I think it might backfire though. Everyone that bought the highest package doesnt have to spend money for 5 months and still get token benefits. By that time alot of us will have enough silver to keep buying them from the market. Someone has to buy them to put them on the market though. It might be ok. I’ll be buying some stuff other than the tokens also.
Well the data suggest that 7% (+/- 7% MOE) of token buyers (those who say they will spend $90+ a month on tokens for 5+ tokens) are going to sell tokens to the 36% (+/- 7% MOE) of free players… if those 7% were trolling… well come a few months after launch those free players are going to realize that buying tokens wasn’t so easy after all because there won’t be enough supply to meet demand.
I was at first worried that people would lie about what they would do in this poll… but then I realized that doing such a thing would only instill false confidence in the player base without addressing the underlying problem…
Suffice to say these results though preliminary, make me think I shouldn’t invest too heavily into iToS. Especially if things stay their course.
Once the f2p players realize they can’t get tokens or compete with that 7% (+/- 7% MOE) who will have many many millions more in game currency from selling their tokens, then we’re just talking about how long until the player base collapses… at least, that’s my diagnosis…
Edit: I would love to be wrong so if people have compelling counterpoints I’m all ears!
Edit2: Keep in mind this is data is from the ToS forum player base which is probably made up of bigger fans of the game than one might find in the general population, so if anything, the numbers of f2p players will be larger and the number of 5+ token buyers will likely be smaller.
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Well I wouldn’t necessarily assume that western players would have the same purchasing habits or price tolerance levels as Asian ones… which is why I made this poll…
So I don’t necessarily expect the economy to turn out the same either…
You do know you don’t even have to respond to me you can simply turn to another post or just ignore my posts…
If I did not exist I would not be putting posts or reply’s to the forum sorry I don’t agree with your viewpoint but I try not to follow people blindly and look into stuff myself with facts and evidence to justify someone’s claim as truthful or exaggerated information in an attempt to direct people with misinformation to put something you disagree with in a bad and negative light.
Sounds like a good ideal but lets stay away from calling one premium haha how about this Token A and Token B they would simply be packs similar to how some F2P games do where they give 2 packs that enhance the F2P aspect with brackets.
Token A
Exp bonus 15%
1:1 Trade (5 trades a day + silver tax)
Extra gestures +3
Reduced Market Commission to 20%
3 market items
Movement +1
Token B
Exp bonus 30%
1:1 Trade
Extra gestures +5
Reduced Market Commission to 10%
5 Market Items
Movement +3
Pay more get more and I personally see this as reasonable.
The trades a day/tax concept is from war frame it seems to work well vs RTM.
Will buy for about 10 or 12 tokens per month and sell all of them. After I will buy everything on market and will keep destroying game economics. Have fun.
if anything has told me that is simply not possible ever heard of supply and demand?
You are one of from what someone has said 100k people the more people put on the market the lower the price will become so you saying put 10/12 tokens on said market might be good at the start but will drop radically in price to the point where you would no longer profit from it the term is called market crash and that is normal because after a crash and a number of days markets will stabilize try to learn basic economics please…
Lol, this kid. Donate stuff always become expensive in time. In Korea it was 500k at start, last time I saw 1.7kk. In month some of players will be w/o token and there will be new f2p players, in two month most of players will be w/o token, in three month all. Ofc if they will not waste their TP on token. But go ahead with your “basic economics”, it is really fun to read. 
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Here is what has happened in EvE which instituted a similar service (PLEX):
Current PLEX price: ~1 billion ISK used to be ~300+ million ISK per PLEX back in 2012 or so if I remember correctly
Here is a chart of PLEX prices over just one year
DISCLAIMER: Tokens are different from PLEX in the sense that you can continue playing the game even without a Token… but that also just means that you can continue grinding for more silver to try to save up to buy tokens. Inflation, hoarding, and relative lack of supply is likely what drove PLEX prices up and are likely factors which will be at play in this game as well.
Note: imc will likely have no desire or interest to keep Token prices down because they want players to spend money buying Tokens
Inflation in MMORPG is so obvious and natural, that anyone who is trying to deny the fact that prices will rise over time is just a hopeless ignorant fool.
You know… it’s interesting to see the results and you can see why the F2P model works… There is that huge group of 1 token users and then you have the 7% going for 5+. More then makes up for the users that aren’t buying tokens.
*sigh
I guess FFXIV only does so well because they fill the niche of players that hate F2P model and are fairly universally accepted by MMO players. I wish ToS filled that role instead but I think we’re probably too niche.
Basically controls need to be put in place so I would probably recommend:
- Make tokens cost less in real life (increases supply)
- Prevent excessive hoarding of tokens by individual players (token hoarding caps maybe 3 or 4 would be reasonable)
- Take steps to prevent excessive in-game currency inflation (better start coming up with some good gold sinks imc!)
Otherwise we might as well call Tokens P2W because normal F2P players will not be able to afford them (this will become increasingly true as time passes by).
Um… define ‘working’…
If you mean the prediction that tokens will become increasingly unaffordable by f2p players over time, then yeah I guess that would be working (working out for imc at least since it will force buying tokens to be competitive) See this post for an example in another game: EvE
If you mean ~7% of the playerbase making the majority of in-game profits from token sales to ~35% of the player population, then yeah… I guess things will be “working”. I don’t even want to start analyzing what effects this would have on market prices =_=
EDIT: Ah, I misinterpreted your post as you thinking that this token system would work out well.
I’m pretty neutral about things… I don’t like jumping in on sides when it’s something that is an obvious grey area. That said… I like exploring the ideas people have.
Is Plex useful enough outside of player trading to stop inflation? Cause I could understand that being a problem.
I do wonder though if we’ill be as bad off as Eve since silver is so useful outside of player trades. The upgrade and potential system that just lets you burn Silver and equipment in mass. It could get to the point where there is a lot more silver for upgrades and not enough equipment drops, though.
Should ask the kToS’ers.
PLEX in EVE is basically 30 days of game play time in an in-game tradeable form. So players could buy PLEX and sell it to other players for the in-game currency ISK.
This is similar to how players will be able to buy Tokens and and sell them for silver to other players.
If Token supply is low (due to even a fraction of those 7-8% of super token buyers quitting for whatever reason, or if p2p population is higher than what this poll has projected), if rich players decide to buy up and hoard tokens, if silver ever ends up inflating, all of those things will be bad for people wanting to obtain tokens and the situation converges on a situation where tokens become P2W (because F2P players won’t be able to get them reasonably).
Silver inflation is only one part of the equation (though it is an important part).
This analysis is also complicated by the fact that some fraction of those 1 token buying players will presumably want to switch to using in-game funds to buy tokens at some point. They will have a higher starting leverage point in terms of purchasing power because of additional dungeon runs. This will further make life not fun for F2P players.
EDIT: I would really love to be wrong, so criticism of my analyses are quite welcome!