“RMT via TP/gacha” is a misnomer and fabrication used by people who RMT to justify their poor/illegal actions and try to turn the spotlight on the people playing the game legit.
Normally, criminals don’t project because they want to stay hidden and under the radar. Here we have morons defending a practice that is against the Terms of Service while trying to take a righteous tone, it is comical.
TP shop items don’t inject silver into the economy. C’mon bro this is basic. At this point you are flailing around trying to justify acts that violate the terms of the game, by attempting to turn law-abiding players into the villians. Classic red-handed thief mentality. Give it up.
Wtf are you talking about? You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Don’t put words in my mouth. Learn economics 101. Come back to me. Be friends.
Quote of 2018 “TP shop items don’t inject silver into the economy. C’mon bro this is basic.” This is the justification someone who spends absurd amounts of TP uses to validate their holier than thou attitude. Ditch it bro.
You are failing to look at the server economy in a holistic manner. Silver exchange from player X to player Y does not affect the economy at all, which is precisely what happens when you sell a TP item in the MP.
In fact, it REDUCES the silver floating in the economy because of the MP tax.
Whereas botting and then selling RMT INJECTS silver into the economy, it is literally printing money which causes inflation. THIS is econ 101, friend.
Lol you just said it yourself. If you produce items out of thin air, you are producing VALUE out of thin air. It’s the same as producing MONEY out of thin air. The idea is to have a true organic economy without any fake production of items. You seriously don’t understand this fundamentally. I see this now. It all makes sense now why you live on the forums, your poor brain just can’t wrap around it. Listening to Narc’s “its not pay to win” attitude, you both need help.
The TP items have an intrinsic value, which is determined by the value of the CURRENCY. The value of the CURRENCY isn’t affected by selling a TP item.
The value of the CURRENCY is screwed sideways by tons of gold farmers injecting their passive income into the server econ thanks to players buying their in game CURRENCY for real-life $.
When you buy a TP item, you are not buying CURRENCY. This is the fundamental difference that you are purposefully failing to grasp, in a veiled effort to justify your illegal and shameful acts.
No no you don’t get it. The TP SHOP does the SAME DAMN THING the botters do. When you remove the boTTERS, the TP shop will become the prime destructive force on the economy. Don’t play with the facts. You see now why I’ve beeen saying IMC likes the bots? BECAUSE it justifies them having the TP trader to ‘counter balance the inflation’. This is textbook what politicians do to raise taxes on you. You’re talking out your ass buddy.
Im honestly getting sick of saying the same damn thing over and over again. Thick headed folks, spending the same amount or more on TP thinking they are clean. It’s honestly a travesty. You guys create a massive rift in this game, if everyone got on board IMC would be alot better off.
The currency determines the value of item, not the other way around. If everyone spammed the ■■■■ out of the TP items instead of RMT, the value of the TP items would decrease, while the currency remained strong.
Okay let’s just regurgitate the same thing in 3 different comments… Welp I’ll leave you be now Remrem go study economics. Realize IMC is as big a hand in it as anyone else. The economy is tied together. Injecting too many items into the economy with NO LIMIT WILL BREAK ANY ECONOMY, INFLATION or DEFLATION. Economists generally believe that deflation is a problem in a modern economy because it increases the real value of debt, especially if the deflation is unexpected. Deflation may also aggravate recessions and lead to a deflationary spiral. This is in regards to a real economy, but that being said. You are talking straight out your B-HIND.
Then, just from a simplistic view someone is already skipping silver sinks and taxes by using RMT and everything affects economy.
But you like this comment saying illicit 1:1 RMT doesn’t?
Yes. I am attempting to hammer a screw into a board. The screw being your pathetic lack of understanding of how an economy works.
Lets say there is a fantasy world where I could manufacture Lamborghinis out of thin air and place them on the market. This would decrease the value of Lamborghinis, not screw with the currency of the economy.
My dollar would still be just as valuable as it was before.
Captain quotation is here. Seiren what have you accomplished quoting people for the last 2 days straight? Nothing. Consensus remains strong. Don’t need me to tell you that. I’m confident in my knowledge of the economy, this is how I remain wealthy in game.
Consensus of what? We have 3 RMTers defending RMT and many others saying it’s bad. lol
Just check my poll, it’s clear where the consensus is:
All RMTers should be punished because they affect the game negatively.
the only reason I have this drama in watch is in the hope a staff member appears again…
but I doubt it
Me and @Veldt Are not friends
We just happen to have the same idea on certain things
In fact He has fairly disagreed to some things that i have mentioned too.
And I am the one who has RMT-ed before, he mostly bought TP from shop
By the way I am not defending RMT, just stating facts. RMT has and will always exist il games. No developer has done it. Either they lost the fight against RMT or simply chose not to do it.
Sure i will like to play a game with absolutely no RMT possible, but i doubt that will ever happen in my lifetime.
Until then i will accept that RMT is just part of the game with its own pros and cons.
I will say again RMT player : player doesnt affect the game economy, in fact IMC stands to gain if TP is involved via Leticia DA or Gacha box.
Yes it is against the terms of service all you want . IMC is happy; Buyer and seller is happy.
It is not the main thing that is ruining the game. Why are you so bothered by it?
White knight all you want.
You can never stop it anyways
Kill the bots , slow down silver RMT. Make silver RMT an expensive alternative that fewer will choose to take.
On a side note, buyers really can help discourage player RMT by actually paying what the seller deserves in silvers instead of expecting the seller to drop his price for them. Whether the seller eventually decides to accept cash terms; or reject RMT and keep his item is up to him to decide. None of us has any say in that.
Nah, don’t sweet coat 1:1 RMT with TP/official services.
I already gave you examples:
Or are you actually saying that by 1:1 RMT items you’re not avoiding taxes and not reducing competition and as well not changing how pricing behaves?
Because you’re doing this and this already affects the game economy.
In fact, you might believe otherwise because the market where you play is already tainted with 1:1 RMT so it might be hard to look at it with another point of view. I’m sorry but I can’t help you if this is the case.
I recommend trying to play in other servers as well and check how the RMT affected market in different levels based on how common it is. Shouldn’t be that hard if you give it a few weeks.
And I reaffirm what I recommend here, you might not find a 100% free RMT economy on like, NA, but it’s definitely far lower than SEA and RMT plays a smaller role in the server’s economy.
If we have policy enforcing on 1:1 RMT it might get even lower. While one can’t catch all transactions, enforcing rules results in a healthier environment compared to keeping them unpunished. It will also help IMC with handling future changes on silver selling.
It is the fact. Nothing to sweet coat. IMC happy Buyer happy Seller Happy.
RMT or not will not reduce the market price of high end items. I will say this for the last time since you cant seem to get it. If you want to be in denial, then so be it.High end items = Sellers market; they call the shots. If multiple copies are around they are no longer considered high end. If someone sells his velco +40 today. Asking price is 20b or no deal. Whether he accepts cash terms doesnt really affect the eocnomy. Where is this competition you mention?
Well done white knight.
Saying this shows me how unrealistic you are. Always thinking in the most ideal scenario.
1:1 RMT cannot be stopped. And it shouldn’t be the main concern at least for now.
I have not done any 1:1 RMT in TOS. Personally it doesnt bother me the least bit. If i can afford the seller’s asking buy i will get it. If i cant i’m not gonna blame seller for accepting RMT offers and cry over it
You’re actually wrong, let’s take as example people with money for 1:1 RMT: they’re skipping silver sinks and skipping the need of in-game silver. Without 1:1 RMT they’d rely on buying Gacha to profit the P2WIN way and results in more TP sales this way.
Like I said, that’s the SEA servers, try playing in other servers. And you’re “right” if you think 2 persons doing 1:1 RMT alone, in an isolated cage, doesn’t affect the economy.
But what happens is that, let’s use an hypothetical number, when 60% players are on “1:1 RMT is not punished, hue hue hue” mode, you greatly affect economy and cash starts being a factor.
You’re actually an example about the USD <-> Silver ratio thing. If you can’t sell items in-game for silver, you’re automatically thinking on how much USD it is:
And you’re kind of right here too:
I don’t play in a server where everyone is considering selling everything for USD all the time.
You’re assuming every single player is a dishonest and will go against terms of service at any opportunity to profit and well, that’s not the case. Maybe it’s different between servers.
Like I said, you can’t catch call transactions. Enforce policy and make it punishable, honest players gets away from it.
Let it go uncontrolled and after months/years you have tainted economy with players that can’t even think of market without 1:1 RMT being part of it.
You will never catch a single transaction.
So what you’re trying to imply, along with this:
Is that IMC will never be able to catch even RMT Bots engaging in 1:1 RMT?