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#80

I legitly spent the time to level all my chars in all accounts to max level each time the level cap is raised in order to make saalus matching easier, legitly invested in multiple decently-transcended weapons to farm Irredian Bosses (unlike when you only have 1 account, you need only 1 such weapon), legitly bought Tokens for every account if I want the stuffs traded to my main to remain tradeable.

For now I doubt IMC have a problem with this, but should they do, I’m not worried either, cause I’m sure there are lots of other players like me, and if IMC ban all of them, the server will become way more dead (as if the population isn’t low enough already).

Anyways, solution to multi-accounting? Make the game extremely P2W, like MapleStory. I only have 1 account in Maple, not because I can’t create multiple, but because there’s no point. Most of the things are P2W - gearing through doing in-game content can barely make your characters as strong as the extremely expensive Potential Cubes (any mapler will know this).

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Honestly I don’t mind people hating multiple acc, but at least don’t speak like maintaining and managing them is that easy; it really isn’t. I shared this strategy to lots of newbies who ask how to get rich in this game, and easily nearly all of them found it troublesome / not motivated to invest so much time in a low population game.

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#81

Helping your friends is vastly different than what happened to get nulight banned and I think this argument is only serving to muck up the waters.

The staff have made it clear that multiple accounts with the same IP or IP range, funneling items is ‘bot-like activity’. In most cases, your friends won’t have the same IP or IP range as you, so it would not fall under bot-like activity. Your friends will also have some activity in the game beyond just being a mule to transfer items, which would support them not being bots.

Guild leaders handing out blessed gems wouldn’t fall under bot-like activity, that is just silly.

Yuri’s post is very clear that they are looking at each account to determine their level of activity

crappy name (well there are Bots with decent names however)
Zero Quest progression
No diversity in character
No friends forever alone

Do your friends meet those criteria? If so, they are probably not good friends and in fact, bots or mules.

#82

I’m not even talking about Nulight or even multi accounting. Don’t know why you bring him up.

I’m concerned of the illicit trades because I have friends who don’t or can’t participate in Boruta, so I help them with the items.

The way the rule is written is what I have an issue with, not the rule itself. I realize you can’t have rules explicitly say everything to cover every base, but the ambiguity of the previous rules and these are why we’re having this huge change and rules being published.

I have always been critical of the staff and their lack of communication and clarity. I appreciate this change of openness but it doesn’t mean everything is fine.

Then there’s things like tp packages that are only meant for 1 per team/account. Does trading for them (such as the previous DA package) is that illegal? What if a friend wasn’t going to buy the package originally, but I wanted to make use of the DAs, and asked him/her to get them for me. Does that count as funneling?

#83

They wouldn’t fall under these new policies by any stretch of the imagination, what about the new rules could possibly put your friends at risk, given all the clarify that Yuri has provided? Do they have zero quest progression? No character diversity? No friends (they are your friends…right?)

See above, your friends wouldn’t meet the criteria to be marked as bots or mules, so it wouldn’t be multi-account funneling, which is what this new policy clarifies. Its not just ‘funneling’ it is multi-account funneling from multiple accounts to a main account with the express purpose of exploiting events.

#84

A little too late? … sigh … wish you guys implemented this years ago … before 70% of you honest player base was still playing …

#85

To be honest the pack should have simply been removed a year ago. Line is too blurry and at that point it just becomes a judgment call. Obviously your friends with valid accounts, trading the item to use a diamond anvil on isn’t that big of a deal. Making 50 accounts to do so is kinda bullshit–especially when you consider the monetary investment involved.

Nothing should be wrong with either of these; because neither would look suspicious and neither are a problem.

Except nowhere does it say that multiple accounts are bad. Abusing set restrictions/lockouts with them, however, clearly is, provided you are funneling rewards from said lockouts to one account. Lockouts would also include events in this case.

Shops are kind of a gray area but it’s clear that it’s still technically a restriction IMC put in place, and the reasoning makes sense. It’s just that obviously a very small profit is way less egregious than what we saw elsewhere. The biggest problem with small offenses though is that people end up thinking that larger offenses are okay as a result. For example: 1m in shop profits on 6 chars in a week funneled to one account is way less offensive than several hundred blessed shards or gems from an event funneled to one character, but if people think the former is okay they’re more likely to attempt the latter and feel incredibly burned when they get in trouble.

This would be positively reinforcing bad behavior. No one should do that.

No, bad sportsmanship is literally cheating to get ahead and no one should encourage cheating. Sorry.

#86

Yeah the lines are blurry and the rules aren’t set or clear. This is why we had the huge fiasco recently.

How many accounts would be too much? As we’ve seen, 50 seems to much, what about 20? 10? 3?

I’ve never seen a gm or staff or even rules set to ban for funneling. So many people made alt accounts for saalus way before this or even rebuild. And including for the tp packages. Now look, after the issue, their very next event has non tradeable shards as rewards, not really a coincidence.

The “judgement call” on doling out punishment is another issue too. Bringing in back the Nulight issue If they followed what they set out as rules, they even said they treated it as rmt in his case even though it wasn’t. As such, wouldn’t his punishment just been his first offense, with a warning and items taken away?

His case seemed more targeted and changing punishments on a case by case basis lends towards abuse.

#87

I would guess the reason for banning Nulight and treating it as RMT is to prevent an ambiguous rule. Having a ‘we consider this RMT behavior and ban for it’ is a catchall.

Not attacking you but I think this sounds aggressive. Anyone who has ever tried to write a set of rules has undoubtedly hit a point when reviewing what they wrote where they or their peers questioned them with ‘what about x?’

The rules set forth might not be perfect but they probably don’t want to guess who is and isn’t RMT’ing.

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#88

I don’t think even 50 is the “issue” so much as what’s done with them.

If you level all 50, play them independently, don’t funnel everything to one account, don’t use them maliciously like to fill a certain cough map or make it unstable in an attempt to crash it… I don’t see how that would be an issue.

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#89

cheating = playing HAHAHAH playing legitimately/manually/grooming an account

kekplosion

Being lazy/unwilling to put in the extra effort and calling others who are willing to sacrifice their real life time to play -> CHEATING

Suit yourself, your repertoire as an actual Narcissus on forums really knows no bounds ( In before your remeri friend jumps in to defend you as usual, or this gets flagged )

Lets see if more alts get beaned, rules arent clear-cut and seems created simply to justify the bean for the 50 alt guy anyway.

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#90


So multi-accounting is treated as RMT.


So GM warning as punishment?

Sorry, what was sounding aggressive? There’s no perfect rules, we’ve all agreed. But clarifying, reviewing, and revising rules is the normal. But like I said, doling out “judgement call” punishments and not following your previously set rules and (once again) awfuly transparency and communication are the issues that I had with the whole ordeal.

Even if I level and play each independently, I still couldn’t “funnel” to one of my accounts? Just treat each account in a vacuum?

This still doesn’t address the fact that they haven’t mentioned multi-accounts being an issue when purchasing their TP packages.

And honestly, stop throwing out ridiculous claims about people logging on 50 accounts to fill/crash maps. The last GTW, we all know every map was crashing for the first 35+ minutes almost every 20-30 seconds. You’re not witty or clever going “cough”. You’re just perpetuating more claims from both sides thinking it wasn’t IMCs awful servers that were at fault.

#92

The 50 acc incident is the most recent thing that happened so no wonder people keep sending the 50 acc thing here

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#93

People who can’t “sacrifice their time” and exploit or RMT to get or maintain an advantage are in fact cheating. It’s funny that you are simultaneously holding this belief and wondering why all your posts are getting flagged because it should be obvious as to why.

The rules are very clear cut, and willful ignorance is a very good way to get yourself banned. Just don’t cry about it later.

#95

@QueenofPainn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lagdij85fY
Lmfao.

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#96

My Friends are a part of my very soul…

Their Happiness is my happiness and their shame is my shame…

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@QueenofPainn I will give you both the benefit of the doubt and this

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#97

Yeah it is so crystal clear that some SEA bokors are still alive despite being banned and unbanned like a week back. I wish we have cherry here. Why does NA one get perma banned while ours don’t
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Flagged because a certain individual refuses to have her point rebutted and opinion disregarded , gathered her group of lackeys to mass flag the post in a bid to savage her egoistic alter-ego forum handler “Csiko” known on the forums as a narcissusistic bully.

And it’s unlikely I will banned , because I don’t have 50 alts like the guy you and your lackeys detest so much

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#98

Why is this even flagged lul

#99

Your post was flagged as spam : the community feels it is an advertisement, something that is overly promotional in nature instead of being useful or relevant to the topic as expected.

and by community it means the one or 2 cheaters that felt attacked by it and flag spam it xD

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#100

We are on opposite side on this thingy , but I have to agree the flagging thing is all retarded

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#102

Hello newer player (around less than 2 month) so i will try to give maybe another view of the situation.

I don’t think the “rules” are being well brought to newer players, RMT should talk about REAL MONEY, and here for instance we talk about a bigger situation that probably need it’s own thread or “news”, i’m talking about multi-account, i won’t go in the topic of yes/no it’s a good thing to do it, but as an old MMO player i did indeed play multi-account on multiple other game for different reason.
I didn’t bent to the multi-account in TOS for various reason that i won’t go in detail nobody cares, but the things is i didn’t even knew such rules existed because multi account shouldn’t be related to RMT, i did read the post about the 50 account story ban and if this news is related to this, it’s poorly brought because i just spend more than 2h reading all of it to understand a bit more of the situation.
So to me if there is a need to restrict multi-account for the sake of preventing funneling, then it need to be clear, funneling an account is in no way = RMT.

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