Why dont you go play a “modern 2016” mmo then? This game is meant to be like the older mmos.
Not that I’m defending that guy, he was kind of rude.
Also, you are including wow in those games that have all the good things? That game is ruined. They catered to casual players so much the game is ruined.
Why didn’t you tell them.
You seem to know better than those big companies with teams and statistical data.
You are sincerely underestimate the effort it takes to coordinate a party which has like-minded individuals with similar need of progression and complimentary class. Not to mention for longer grind sessions, you have to balance people’s schedules, their breaks, random AFK. There is a lot that goes into managing a party that you take for granted if you haven’t done it a lot. I myself main a FS class, a LinkerChrono and I consider myself the party leader. I tell the group where to go and make sure we have similar quest progression. My friends and myself go AFK at times, one of us gets confused about what we’re doing and falls behind (or even gets ahead), these things happen.
The point is, leveling a DPS is much faster than FS pre 200. You don’t rely on other people, you can freely kill things as you see fit and it is difficult to steal mobs away from you. Post 200, partying is more common and FS is more popular. To me, that’s the reward of leveling so far as FS. You have an easy time getting into parties.
I have always said that I am for an circle reset, but there must be a penalty. I think we agree on that much. I don’t think giving people back EXP cards is going happen. The system most likely does not remember what cards we used. It would be a very odd thing to track. I don’t think that is a likely implementation. If they did that going forward, you would piss off a lot of people. I think the level at which you reroll should give you an EXP boost (but put them back at the rank of their choosing maybe?)
So if you were Rank 5, you got… I don’t know say 500% more class exp but got to keep your character level. If you were Rank 6 you’d get 600% more exp? Something like that maybe.
i agree wow got ruined because of casual and this game is on the same road, catering to casuals, cashers and pw2 lovers
Circle resets are p2w incarnate.
Step 1. Level using the best and easiest circles to level quickly.
Step 2. Pay to reset your class to whatever the meta is for the endgame dungeon at the time. Gear up.
Step 3. Pay to reset your class to PVP.
This is so goddamn pay to win it hurts. It devalues the effort of people who take the time to level a niche build and it devalues the intelligence of people who took the time to actually read and understand the class abilities when they designed their build.
Let me be clear: If you didn’t research your build and ability interaction and just spent points expecting to be great, you deserve to have an inferior character forever. You deserve this. You deserve to be forced to reroll.
I’m on the fence about single circle resets for specific classes that get overhauled. The changes would have to be dramatic, and the user would only be allowed to choose a different circle instead of the exact circle that had dramatic changes. No “free new character”.
We have definitely not seen changes so dramatic as to deserve that, yet.
you do understand that the easiest circles to level quickly are the endgame dungeon at the time. they are because most don’t want to experiment if there no way to fix it later on.
as for read yuo do know there lots of skills having a really wrong text on them,do you?
as for pvp what so bad if there more competitive players there?
now if they do the reset this way there will be no problems no p2w.
Ya I think they are being really foolish by thinking people are going to have many alt builds. The leveling systems seems to potentially go up to 400 or so or will do eventually. I mean it takes how many hours just to reach level 120. This is not diablo where you can make a new class in one day.
The game already focus on long long time commitment to leveling any hero if any no lifer hard core fans want to sink their whole life into the game they can make 4 characters and try to get to max max level. At least probably 70% of players don’t have 200 hours to go, oh well that class is ruined I’ll go spend another 200 hours on another class.
And of course people get bored with the same build all the time. Having a full reset will keep people interested in the game as they level and will open the game up to more experimentation and more diversity.
As it stands, you either follow a build guide, make a plan, or post on the forums is my character perma ruined?
This is really short sighted as I think many will leave if they think there even 80+ character is ruined. No one wants to reroll when it’s so difficult to get high level.
I know I only really have time for one character and will likely quit the game if hes some how ruined or massively under powered with no reset in sight.
If i find myself in a position where i have reroll my class because of changes or mistakes, and the game no have a reset feature, ill just stop playing it, no problem.
TLDR; inb4 thread closure…I agree with the topic, and proposals on how to limit the reset to avoid “cheating” I guess…as the game is relatively new without an established guide/manual, it’ll be nice to allow us players to experiment builds at least once, before we decide to follow a path we’re comfortable with.
what I have observed so far is the mechanics of the game do not encourage diversity with builds, there are more ‘bad’ builds than optimal ones, which make me question why some skills exist in the first place if they render useless in the end. it’s like they’re not alternatives for a different experience, just bad decisions 
shhhh… fake diversity!
Honest we won’t make any progress without truly understanding how anti-circle reset people think.
Literally, one guy in the other topic who argued in favor of the female style options costing more. Like, these people are thinking on a wavelength that is difficult to even comprehend.
They believe that, all things considered, despite a the 320+ levels unaccounted for, the lack of good documentation, the lack of definitive class balance and the huge assortment of skill bugs that we should be permanently locked in to a class without having any idea how it plays practically.
This is practically believing Bush caused 9/11 or that Lizards are invading the planet, it’s really that level of nonsense.
I’ll just quote this even if off-topic, because I don’t know which FFXIV you played, I enjoy that game even if I don’t have every class capped.
and I never felt left behind because I actively chose not to participate in hardcore/savage content, while I enjoy end-game/cap level content that is suited for my character’s build or gear level.
anyway, it’s useless to compare these two games. especially if not everyone in this forum plays the other
@IceCold you called it, just saying I don’t see the purpose of having a ton of skills at one’s disposal when half of them just have cool animation 
Honestly the best part is that when we do get circle resets as this game is practically screaming for them and if imc wants money theyll make it.
But the best part honestly is when it does happen none of these people are going to quit theyll moan and complain but they wont quit. These people claim to be hardcore if that’s true they wont go anywhere theyll adapt and move on
I don’t get why everyone is up in arms over a circle reset. It’s not going to affect others in any way it’s mostly a quality of life type patch much like skill reset, stat reset which is already in the game. It would however bring money into the pockets of IMC if they make it cost with TP.
The current method of people making characters is build your self, use a build, build off someone else build and make it your own. It’s the same method people will use now and the same method people would use if circle resets was a thing. It’s not going to change class combinations because there already doing the methods listed above. Who knows they may swap out there skills or jobs to a new meta but all that will do is have IMC look at that new meta and balance it out as well until all classes and skills are more balance. There will always be metas there is no way to ever stop that in this day and age. They aren’t all even going to have the same metas there are different metas for almost everything (PVP, PVE, AOE, Single DPS, Support, Hybird).
I also don’t understand the argument people have with well this guy went pure damage then switch to a full support. So… everyone who leveled with cards shouldn’t because this one person leveled without using EXP cards within the game why should everyone else get there faster when people who choose not to use the EXP cards aren’t as fast? No because it doesn’t affect how you play as the same as people would with the ability to change builds.
I don’t get why your not up in arms over a circle reset. It’s going to affect how others and I play the game. If they made a mistake they should have to live with it there shouldn’t be a easy reset button just because your skills been nerfed or they removed a skill. Life isn’t easy so why should a game be easy.
If the current method of people making characters is able to change then they will switch over to the new current meta and just be more powerful until they get nerf then they will switch again to a newer meta. There would be no reason just to take any other class because you like the outfit or like the skills of that class or just want a falcon even if the class skills are broken because everyone would simply be the meta.[quote=“cole.cyprien, post:564, topic:215759”]
I also don’t understand the argument people have with well this guy went pure damage then switch to a full support. So… everyone who leveled with cards shouldn’t because this one person leveled without using EXP cards within the game why should everyone else get there faster when people who choose not to use the EXP cards aren’t as fast? No because it doesn’t affect how you play as the same as people would with the ability to change builds.
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It shouldn’t be allowed they should have to stick with what ever they choose never mind that there a stat and skill reset potions which can be used to swap out DPS to Support with the use because that’s already in the game. Just because someone chooses not to use EXP cards doesn’t matter to me it’s his choice if he wants to grind then use cards to help level quicker. It does affect me and everyone else because allowing people to change things is awful go play FFIV, GW2 or any other popular MMO games and leave this one alone.
I’m…so confused on whether you’re trying to make a point or you have multiple personality issues lol.
Job/Class reset doesn’t promote build diversity, less make that one clear. It actually does the opposite. People would aim for the metas and avoid any real experimentation of not that used builds.
Then you’ll say that it would leave space for experimenting, right?
I don’t see maybe people actually paying real money to experiment on builds all the time. As of now, you get a lot of players doing that. Either by choice or mistake. Plus, if you can always “change back to the correct build”, I don’t see anyone actually figuring out new build to counter the current meta, to make a rare build become useful, etc.
The reset to anything resetable will be in shop, guaranty it. You us players have no say in how the game makes money. It might not come all at one time, but after tp becomes buyable, around 1month after that circle reset will come out, or it can also come around holidays us special item. You all forgetting ftp game runs around the gameshop, if they don’t make money then they don’t need to keep servers open
so you ■■■■■■ up/didnt like the class so go start over is promote build diversity? or may be yuo will be the first one here to show me where is all of this diversity at lvl 100+ go to. as i cant fined it no where.
Shouldn’t offer job reset, then everyone will just go for the easy leveling jobs and at the end just reset. This is totally 100% P2W. If IMC want to offer job reset then should charge ppl with 10k TP for it.