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No one need you if you are not a Peltasta

Class and Rank Swordsman
#284

The same would happen if I try to make a tanky archer or wizard.

Swordsman can do insane dps early in the game because of the bonuses from priest + cafrisun + arde dagger, multi-hit mechanic, but obviously this won’t scale so well into late game and people blame IMC instead of realizing they made their whole build around a buff from other class that doesn’t scale well into lategame.

Then they will face this fate, being a dps character that doesn’t dps as much as others and they don’t have usefull party utility because why getting classes that have utility anyways?

#285

@iicecube_85 @Endurance

You should go read forum ruling and edit your posts before you get flag for some childish rude publics flames.

#286

Why are people talking about SW outdoing AR dmg? They just want to be able to do damage, maybe outdo Archers for AOE, but never for single target damage. For single target damage, doing anywhere from 50~70% of Archers damage would be ok, don’t you think?

#287
  1. by you logic a healer should do NO ■■■■■■■ Damage at all in late game since well you guesses it he just heals.
    And in any other game the Healers main objective is to support the Tank so that he doesnt die.

2.3.4 Serious Question why? Just because most Mage want more DPS and ignore Linker? Yet they except all Swordies bow to them and dimish there already low DPS to be usefull for them? I call those guys and girl hypocrites

Let us Face it, its messed up. Sure Archer should have higher DPS but even Mage? Mages in the classical sense are rather slow but when they hit they hit heavy and dont to DPS.

There is a reason why every RPG/MMORPG besides ToS use this formula.
Swordie - Tankie or A grade DPS
Archer - Weaker then Swordie but S-Grade DPS
Mage - Glass canons, long cast time low DPS but massive DMG output over Time
Healer - As Fragile as Mages DPS/DMG nearly not existent but many Utility abilities.

#288

I’m not sure, do you even realize my point has no relation to your point?

My point is that swordsman player is usually annoying to most party, not swordsman itself.

Do you even play the game? Do you know that in this game, especially post 200, most swordsman don’t actually has any dps no matter the build at all?

#289

Topic Related.

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#290

i know that Swordies dont do much damges since IMC Screwed up big times.
The question i ask is theoretical and not just for you.
Why should swordies choose Pelt and lose potential DPS while Mage almost always ignore Linker which has also an very good Mob Skil which i would argue is very good support for tanks and dps alike.
Also what do you preffer if you would have this situation?
An Pelt Swordie who isnt really that good in tanking.
or an Non Pelt tank that know what he does and does some additinal DMG.

#291

Is it really that much?
Give me some example of not taking peltasta giving a significant amount of DPS advantage.

#292

if you already have low DPS any additional DPS is good. And once again why should all Swordies have to take the tank route.
It almost as if saying all Blacks are meant to be slaves since they are black. Luckily all most all of humanity has gotten away from this thinking.

And once again why dont all Mages choose Linker?
I mean Linker is one of the Best classes for Grinding and huge Mob crowds yet people dont complain about a mage not having linker. But of course only swordie need to reroll they themself not. they are usally the only people allowed to have fun with their build see 30200 DMG instead of 30000 DMG because they didnt take linker.

#293

If a Non Pelt tank know what should he do, and the Pelt swordie actually don’t understand how to use his swashbuckling, I would take the non pelt tank. HOWEVER, that’s a very very rare case. I had only met 1 non pelt that’s willing to tank and be useful in party after the whole ToS experience.

If the Pelt know how to press swashbuckling, I will always take the Pelt though. Just swashbuckling and my spell alone can do double or triple damage of what the DPS swordsman can offer.

Tbh, I can kick every non Pelt swordsman from my grinding or dungeon party, and clear the dungeon by 4 players, the clearing speed probably wouldn’t be much different. That’s how useless DPS swordsman that don’t want to tank is. Arguably it’s IMC’s fault, but I ain’t gonna take any swordsman that’s being cocky (most of them are) and refuse to help the party.

The main problem is most swordsman player don’t want to tank, claims that they are DPS, and refuse to eat potion because “muh repair cost”. So that ends up being the wizard or archer tanking the boss most of the time anyway.

Difference between having linker or no linker is 80k damage to 120k damage, or even more utility such as CC ability, damage buffing, or CD reduction in some class.

Swordsman don’t gain extra utility by not choosing tank (except squire, which most people is okay with it)

Also, the strongest AOE class, Wiz 3 Ele 3 Warlock don’t even require a linker to function, because Linker doesn’t synergize with them at all.

tl;dr: Wizard class can be useful without linker, swordsman class is a moving burden without Peltasta.

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Would you invite a swordie without pelt into your grinding party for lv200+?
#294

I know what you are trying to argue, but take a good look on what you can choose at rank 2. Peltasta is the good choice here, whether you want to tank or not.

Highlander? 2H Mastery Attribute? It sucks. Cross guard is okay, cartar is okay, the rest is kinda meh.

Sword2? The stronger buffs you get are barely any different from sword 1, and restrain lv 5 sucks, pain barrier is arguable but only for 5 seconds more…

For some reason, more people pick sword2 FOR PVE and that makes them ultimately useless. And let’s not talk about swordsman players that don’t even have the provoke attribute. Yes it’s IMC’s bad design, but for now we gotta live with it.

#295

i took c2 purely cause i am not one bid interested in its skill set or bonuses. But i maxed Provoke to 10 its not that expensive afterall

#296

i dont get that behavier. I have Provok on 10 and my god potions are dirt cheap. The only reason i dont took pelt is because i dont like to basicly just stand and afk while others do the work. so i took c2 like i said. Will with hurt me in long run? In earthtower mostlikely, in later and newer end game dungeon? Not likely if they dont just copy paste earthtowers Formula.

IMO DPS Swordie also can sub tank in case the main tank ever falls or disconects mid Dungeon or agro the mobs that the main didnt get.

#297

that’s the problem, most swordsman players are being mislead by this. I am 270, I TAUNT AND do damage, 100k bursts at that, the main problem with my dps as a fencer is my very low aoe attack ratio, I could only hit 3 medium mobs with it. each swordsman classes have their own problem, but then again that’s imc’s design. This is just me saying my point about taking peltasta and not just taunt and do nothing but guard.

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#298

I wonder if you ever realize that a DPS swordsman existence is equal to nothing in a party post 200.

I can live without them fine, and probably even grind faster because they don’t fked up the aggro.

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#299

yep…solo grinder pelt…no problem at all, except from WB hunt lol. too much lag. cant hit well

#300

Well swordman should be removed. Rank1 should always peltasta

#301

you know why ? that’s international server bull ■■■■ logic
people still invite dps sword man in kr but it’s not here
it was like: "you are an sword man so your duty is a taunter"
wtf with that logic, lol

#302

Swordie is kinda buffed in ktos.

#303

Swordman have no significant buff in ktos. I would say wizard do shtty dps as well. You seems to hate swordman with such low encounter experience with them.
Truly tho, swordman no potion, cannot tank, and always fk up aggro. What server are you in? I’m at 280 for like 4 months now and what you say is not true.