Says the guy who thinks “Eu server getting compensated for SEA server crush” is the same as “Player who spent double the silver getting compensated over player who bought token with TP”.
Two things have literally zero relevance vs cause and effect and you think they are the same. You can’t even comprehend how bad your analogies are and have been.
Well one thing’s for sure. RMTs are a lot better at economy then you are.
RIght.
Wow, it sounds like you actually understood what I was saying there. I’m a bit shocked.
Ah, I guess not. My mistake.
Ah, I guess not. My mistake.
You mean i’m supposed to understand the nonsense that you’ve spouted everywhere you go?
the value of the fictive currency ‘‘silver’’ has a greater affect on pricing them the RL currency does.
wtf.
Well i actually meant IMC should compensate them with a token extension or untradable token, bacuse giving them a token they can sell on the market wouldn’t make much sense, like giving them TPs.
About the other part, i just think in this way: if token costed 99 TP back then, ppl would have got 2 instead of 1 for the same silver, so the most logical thing is to give them the a token compensation. There is/was actually no way for them to spend silver to buy TP or TP items, that’s why i find nonsensical to compensate them with TP they could never get.
Hope i made my point clear this time.
Also, a little addition. People buying tokens with silver knew token price could go up/down with time, so i don’t think IMC has to exactly compensate half of the silver they spent (thought gving them a token extension would probably do that). I mean, if they lose some silver after the compensation is mostly because of these “market laws” everyone keep bringing up, and those are not IMC’s fault.
So let me lay down all the facts.
Each token costs 198 TP before price drop
Tokens are to drop by approximate 50% in price as per TP
For every token holder 99TP will be “refunded” regardless of who bought the TP or not.
Market value of Tokens are not fixed…
Market value of Tokens are based on supply and demand.
Silver is used to purchase Tokens through the Market
TP is used to purchase in the game shop
Silver is an investment equivalent to the time spent & resources of player (electricity etc).
TP is an investment equivalent to the real world currency invested by players excluding time & resources spent.
The price of TP is fixed according to exchange rate between TP and real currency.
The price of Silver is subject to the statys if in-game market economy.
TP was purchased by players in different periods since the game is up.
The value of the Trade token has fluctuated within said periods. ^
The value and exchange rate of TP and real world currency is constant
The value of Silver in equivalence is constantly subject to supply and demand in game.
What’s Debatable ( It’s important to pay attention to the last 2 bullets ) :
How are you sure the compensation is fair (as in 99TP awarded to token holder instead of token purchaser - and by purchase i mean in the game shop, not in the market )?
You can’t. Because said tokens have fluctuated in price during different periods, and the value has been different since then and even more so in silver. The only price that has remained constant is the exchange rate between TP and real world currency.
Why it’s unfair to the purchaser who has purchased and sold in the market ?
Please refer again to the last 2 bullets.
You are so wrong on this statement…
The TP spender deserves his money back. He payed real life money, It’s like buying something in a store that had the wrong price tag on it. You should get a refund.
The player who purchased the Token with Silver spent NO real life money. We don’t really know for sure if the prices will drop that much nor how much he payed for the Token. Why should he be compensated?
It’s plain stupid.
I quoted the exact meaning of what I was saying, and you still have a hard time to understand it?
I guess I should not be surprised at this point.
Sorry, I let myself go for a moment. If you can’t understand the simpler sentences I used before, you definately cannot understand that.
I forgot who I was arguing with.
Allow me to put it more simple:
Silver, altho its not a real currency, has a far greater affect on the price of tokens then RL currency does. To the point where halfing the RL price of the tokens won’t see a halving of their silver price.
There, nice and simple. Can you understand it now? If not, I could try to put it even more simple then this.
But then they can’t even get their silver back. Like they could’ve spent the silver on something else but all they got was 2 tokens that can’t be traded.
Not exactly a good compensation.
“Hope i made my point clear this time.”
Your point is very clear but it’s just not the best compensation for people who spent silver on tokens
Also, a little addition. People buying tokens with silver knew token price could go up/down with time, so i don’t think IMC has to exactly compensate half of the silver they spent (thought gving them a token extension would probably do that). I mean, if they lose some silver after the compensation is mostly because of these “market laws” everyone keep bringing up, and those are not IMC’s fault.
It’s virtually impossible for IMC to do it unless they rollback the server
Their arguement basically is that the silver has farmed…
but like I said in my post above, that stuff is ever changing while real money x tp has so far been constant price wise.
In relation to my post: My feels about TP compensation in an ugly comic
Why the TP spender will not really be granted fair compensation is because those who have bought the tokens in their lowest price through the market will in fact be gaining a profit.
So in the end, the compensation is not equal.
Sorry, I let myself go for a moment. If you can’t understand the simpler sentences I used before, you definately cannot understand that.
I forgot who I was arguing with.
Allow me to put it more simple: Silver, altho its not a real currency, has a far greater affect on
the price of tokens then RL currency does. To the point where halfing
the RL price of the tokens won’t see a halving of their silver price. There, nice and simple. Can you understand it now? If not, I could try to put it even more simple then this.
I’m fairly certain either your a high schooler or your an ESL because your spelling and grammar are just terrible. Somehow it’s other’s fault for not understanding you. Makes sense.
Silver, altho its not a real currency, has a far greater affect on
the price of tokens then RL currency does. To the point where halfing
the RL price of the tokens won’t see a halving of their silver price.
Complete bullshit. I could log in right now and show you how the token are worth 500k since the reduction in cost whereas before they cost 1.5m on the market.
Your explanation basically just mean this:
“token price is not dictacted by the real life monetary cost, but purely the demand, and it’s supply”
to which i have responded:
Completely utterly untrue and stupid.
except they are to some degree. originally the minimum sell price was 500k, and currently it is 350k.
but if you buy an item at a store, and then promptly give away/sell the item, you can’t really go back to the store to ask for your refund next month when you no longer have it.
so again, the rest of my example: suppose they had to RAISE the price of the token for some reason. the original buyer should still be responsible for that, because it was -their- real money that originally bought the token… even if they’ve sold it off since then?
if you bought stock on the stock market (for $US)… and then sold that stock to someone else (for, say, Bitcoin)… then the company announced "we have made a terrible error. our stock prices are double what they should be. we are refunding all of our stock owners 50% of the value of the stock, in $US, and then adjusting the price to the correct value."
your argument is that the original buyer is owed that refund, even though he sold his stock, and someone else owns it now.
I also know that it wouldn’t be the best compensation or the fairest one.
But when IMC thought this up they had to find yes a fair way, but at the same time one that wasn’t so abusable.
Right now the main problem is only that, how abusable this compensation is. As i said it’s mostly IMC’s fault, but if you don’t find fair that people lose some silver over this, i also don’t find it fair that token hoarders (or RMT buyers getting tokens after the announcement) gets lots of TPs they never paid in the first place.
When I was in high school my grades for English were A+, without studying at all. In the years after that however, due to extended exposure to the internet my English has only decreased.
Especially when you consider I stopped caring about grammar some years ago, and I’m judgling 3 different languages, all of which have quite different grammar of their own.
All of that makes my grammar quite poor. But at the same time as far as being understandable goes, its still quite good. And that’s all I care about.
I have no idea what that is.
Aha, so now you are trying to blame my grammar for your inability to understand basic English.
Does that mean you finally read my arguments and understood them? Or am I being too hopeful?
Before the reduction in cost they were 550k or so on Fedimian. They are about 700k now? I only logged on twice this week tho, so I won’t claim to be aware of the price changes tokens have been brought since the announcement.
It’s understand that they are only this low, yet it does surprise me.
It means the majority is not aware they would be buying 99 TP for the price of a token.
Yes, that’s exactly what it means. I thought putting it first in different wording, and secondly in simpler wording; would make it easier to understand.
PS: Half of learning a language is to understand it. If my English is as hard to understand as you say, then you should consider improving your ability to understand English.
Honestly if in court, your argument will be irrelevant.
What is this " To some degree " that’s rather quite inconsistent to what you just said, you realize you are contradicting yourself right?
Time = money.
Electricity bill = money.
You’re ignoring the other’s effort to obtain silver by treating silver as some kind of worthless currencies when in fact players who sold tokens for silver clearly thought otherwise.
As i said it’s mostly IMC’s fault, but if you don’t find fair that
people lose some silver over this, i also don’t find it fair that token
hoarders (or RMT buyers getting tokens after the announcement) gets lots of TPs they never paid in the first place.
IMC is giving the players the benefit of the doubt and assumed most players farmed their silver legitimately, while this is certainly not the case, and plenty of people will abuse this system, it is a compensation that provide the most benefit for the community. It was either this, or giving them another token that they can’t use for anything and feel cheated out of their silvers, or no compensation.
From a business standpoint, the longer f2p players stay in the game the more likely they are to buy things from cash shop, and this compensation will make them happy for sure. Sure, some paying members might feel miffed, and that’s why others are trying to explain to them that they shouldn’t be because if they did sell their token they’re likely to have profitted.
You wanna bet that if I show your sentence to any of my Australian born friends who graduated from college years ago, they won’t understand a damn word of it because it’s so mindbogglingly confusing.
PS: Half of learning a language is to understand it. If my English is as
hard to understand as you say, then you should consider improving your
ability to understand English.
Right, I’m working as an English translator and write English for a living but I’m the one who needs to improve my English and not you, who has piss poor grammar and spellings. That makes perfect sense.
It’s always someone else’s problem, never your own. Really shows why you can say all these things that make zero sense without being aware of how stupid they sound.
Before the reduction in cost they were 550k or so on Fedimian. They are about 700k now? I only logged on twice this week tho, so I won’t claim to be aware of the price changes tokens have been brought since the announcement. It’s understand that they are only this low, yet it does surprise me. It means the majority is not aware they would be buying 99 TP for the price of a token.
Log on again.
Not too sure about fedimien, but on SEA-V the token are being sold 1/3 the price.
Most people are aware of it. But they don’t want to spend silver on a token that’s gonna drop in price when the market becomes flooded with it because the token is literally the most expensive thing you can buy with the 99 tp, and other things in cash shops are untradable.
Which again, just proves that your arguments and understanding of the situation are very poorly thought out.
And this leads me to the conclusion that you honestly have no business here because you don’t even play the game.
PS. ESL = English as Second Language.
This argument is actually invalid, because if system logs were brought into argument, then it itself is proof of purchase. Besides, it’s not a full refund. It’s compensation. There is a significant difference.
What I think however, is that the way the company is handling it is rather quite sloppy.
The fairest thing to do is actually to not give any compensation at all. So even if there are losses, at least there is no profit.
except there’s no contradiction.
“to some degree” is a phrase that has a meaning equivalent to “partially but not completely”.
the minimum price is fixed to 350,000 silver. so there is -some- price fixing.
the maximum price is unknown, and is at -least- 2.5 million silver.
so the specific pricing has significant possible variation, meaning the price is not -completely- fixed.
although, to be technical, we should be referring to it as “price controls” and not “price fixing”.
I’m not hating on you guys but maybe you should focus on the topic at hand.
It starting to look like you are lowballing each other and it isn’t pretty.
Maybe take it somewhere else if it can’t be helped?
I think the moderators and some other players would really appreciate that.