except there’s no contradiction.
“to some degree” is a phrase that has a meaning equivalent to “partially but not completely”.
the minimum price is fixed to 350,000 silver. so there is -some- price fixing.
the maximum price is unknown, and is at -least- 2.5 million silver.
so the specific pricing has significant possible variation, meaning the price is not -completely- fixed.
although, to be technical, we should be referring to it as “price controls” and not “price fixing”.
I’m not hating on you guys but maybe you should focus on the topic at hand.
It starting to look like you are lowballing each other and it isn’t pretty.
Maybe take it somewhere else if it can’t be helped?
I think the moderators and some other players would really appreciate that.
But you do agree that there is a change over a period.
But yes I suppose, controls better term.
And the supply and demand in game is also influenced by the price of the cash shop. Everything is interconnected. Real world money = TP = Token (or whatever else that’s tradable ingame) = the value of silver in equivalence, determined by the players.
Saying TP buyers should be the one who gets compensated TP is just willfully ignoring the fact that they basically converted their TP into silver (that they deemed worthwhile) by selling their token, which is now worth only half as much.
They don’t deserve compensation at all.
The fairest thing to do is actually to not give any compensation at all. So even if there are losses, at least there is no profit.
I agree. Except you can expect the forum to blow up even more than it did if they decided to do that instead.
It’s rather hard if my arguments get ignored, and ‘‘lowballed’’ as you call it.
As I mentioned before, several times now. My reason for being here is because I’d like to have the hope that IMC can make great decisions and fix the big issues currently plaguing the game.
Decisions like the current compensation, which are handled really poor, don’t give me or others the idea that IMC is competent.
Different servers = different servers. That should be obvious. Prices on Klai were about 550k? When I checked before. It’s a pity I don’t play the game currently, or I really would buy 20 tokens. That’s almost 2k TP right there.
You can buy costumes and scrolls with them, two things quite important to many, I would think; that cannot be bought on the market. (the scrolls not directly, atleast)
Not to mention a very large supply of soul crystals and similar consumables.
Then you should have no issue making sense of my English.
Making sense of what you read is the first half of translation, putting it into sentences others can make sense of as well, is the second half of translation.
Oh the hypocrisy…
then what the hell are you doing in this thread? you don’t play the game, you never bought tokens, why are you here? what does any of this have to do with YOU?
They deserve more compensation then someone who did not even spend TP in the first place. Why? Because the compensation comes as a result of an items TP price being reduced.
I’m all for no compensation, but it should be no compensation for anyone. If a compensation is given out, it should atleast be by those that are directly affected by the change. Which would be those who buy using the TP price.
Purchase with TP =/= Purchase with Silver.
Silver is cheaper to obtain than TP.
Silver is easier to obtain than TP.
TP is a much more valuable currency.
Do you guys even read what you’re typing?
Cause it looks like you’re simply trying to avoid losing your precious chance to profit from a clear mistake.
I hate when people like you guys does these kinds of things.
When IMC makes a mistake that will clearly have a negative impact towards F2Players people band together, call for polls, go for the streets.
But when it’s a mistake that benefits F2Players BY A LOT. Suddenlythe thread becomes a Round Table full of Knights fighting for justice.
Please, just stop.
OP is right, this compensation system is beyond atrocious and you guys are treating it like “Meh… People will get a shitload of free TP, So will I, wtvs, cool cool.”
■■■■■■■ hypocrites.
If it’s suppose to be this way then I’m down for no compensation at all.
Because I and others would love to play the game. But the issues plaguing the game make that unenjoyable. Yet if IMC goes true on their word to improve the game and resolve these issues, that would make the game enjoyable to play for a lot of people that stopped playing, or would be interested in the game otherwise.
Poor decision making however, does not inspire trust.
Electricity = money.
Time = money.
You’re the greedy one who thinks just because you bought Tp you deserve special treatment.
i’ve lost track of where any part of this debate is going. and with the way this thread has degraded into little more than a lot of angry bickering, i’ve also lost interest in it too.
my personal opinion is that this compensation plan is as fair as it can be without investing disproportionately immense amounts of time and manpower into it.
people who spent real money and then sold their tokens won’t get compensated: not unfair. they gave up their rights and responsibilities towards that token when they agreed to the sale of it.
people who did -not- spend real money will end up with TP they did not pay real money for: not unfair. it would be unreasonably costly in time and manpower to calculate a “fair compensation” in silver, because it would have to be individually calculated for every token ever sold. further, the original currency of the token is in TP. the “loss of value” is directly related to the reduction in price in TP, and so issuing the compensation in TP allows them to precisely compensate for that loss of value.
people might try to make a profit off of this: not unfair. taking advantage of opportunities and making a profit off them has always been how business functioned, whether it is actual professional business, or simply the in-game trading business between players. for every player trying to milk this compensation to get “free” TP (as so many have so ignorantly described it), there is another player who is selling over-priced tokens to milk it for “free” silver.
so far, the majority of people that i’ve seen complaining extensively about this compensation are those people with no involvement in it at all. they did not purchase any “extra” tokens, and are mostly complaining that they aren’t getting big fat bundles of TP delivered to them for doing nothing.
(not all, but most. and i’m including other threads on the same subject as well.)
this really sums up all the “profiting” that people are going to be getting from this: spend 4000 TP to make 2000 TP. and then the value of your original 4000 TP is cut in half. so in the end, your total value is 4000 TP. and you’ve spent $400-ish in real money to make an in-game profit of zero.
…no wonder our countries are all in miserable financial straits.
i’m done with it. you can all continue bickering over radically misunderstood financial concepts without me getting in the way of your squabbles anymore.
Quite strong. But yes, see having no compensation is a lot more fair, than giving a profit.
There will be loses, but at least no large significant profit.
It’s painful. And even more painful when you know a large majority of the ones who will profit are bots.
My god, it’s just never stops with you doesn’t it?
If your english is so bad that an native english translator has problem understanding it, somehow its the translator’s fault, and not yours, even though you already admits that your grammar and spellings are poor.
Jesus, i’m done with you. I’m gonna show my friend what you wrote and see what they think. Brace yourself.
They deserve more compensation then someone who did not even spend TP in the first place. Why? Because the compensation comes as a result of an items TP price being reduced.
Except TP and silver are interconnected since you can buy cash shop items with silver also, and that means taking only the TP spent into consideration is neglecting the fact that silver has been used to purchase said item, and the people who paid in silver are getting screwed over since they paid for an item that used to cost 198 TP but is now worth half in price.
Well, see what happend when I use arguments?
Do you have to respond to an explanation with more flame? Is that really needed?
Then I hope it’s a good friend. One who willing to tell you that perhaps you should get some fresh air.
You cannot normally buy cash shop items with silver, with the exception of Tokens. And you can only do that because others buy Tokens with TP first.
However, with the current compensation you can use silver to buy TP.
I’m not sure how what you typed is relevant to what you quoted tho.
Honestly, no, I don’t think so.
And the price of the token should increase if you are able to purchase TP through compensation right?
Nope. That’s not what happened. For various reason that i have just explained. Feel free to log in game and check but the token prices have only dropped. Just because things work in your brain, that doesn’t make them right.
Atm there are too few things in cash shop worth buying and getting tokens from market is unreliable because you don’t have an unlimited supplies of silver for token. Most players aren’t RMTers. They actually need their silver for in game progression. You’ve missed this completely and that’s why your argument holds no watter.
Also my friend literally said “wtf does that mean” when i showed him the quote so i hope you realize how bad you were at explaining abstract concept and decide to try harder.
Please do tell me at which part in the path of acquiring Silver did you had to Job hunt, Work 10 hour a day 5~6 days a week, go to a College before hand to become an actual professional in the job you’ll be exercising…
Cause any moron can farm Silver in this game. It’s even possible for you to farm silver while not playing the game at all.
Also you can buy a very limited array of items with Silver from other players.
Dude… Time is only equals to money if you have a job. If you have a job you are not playing an online game.
Kids in this thread comparing the game’s currency with real life currency like there’s no tomorrow.
Summing this ■■■■ up.
IMC is giving hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of TP to people just for playing the game a lot and collecting silver (That is so hard to obtain, omg). And people are cool with it apparently. A money that they will not be getting as profit anymore, because people will have so much float (Used to describe unspent currency in-game, usually cash, within the Game Publishing industry), that their TP sales will drop at the speed of light for months until this float goes away.
Yeah, sounds about right.
I’m still down for no refunds.
So nobody will be getting TP they don’t deserve, the end.
Right. I get paid 30 dollars an hour.
Farming silver would take up at least 8 hours of my time, which i could have spent questing with friends, visiting relatives and getting smashed in bars.
That is more valuable to me than 30 dollars.
Now you might get paid less doing whatever it is you do, but i’m fairly certain the amount of actual money you spent isn’t worth 8 hours of your time in this game. And if your wage from working an 8 hour shift barely covers the tp cost, you shouldn’t be buying tp in the first place.
IMC is giving hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of TP to people just for playing the game a lot and collecting silver (That is so hard to obtain, omg). And people are cool with it apparently. A money that they will not be getting as profit anymore, because people will have so much float (Used to describe unspent currency in-game, usually cash, within the Game Publishing industry), that their TP sales will drop at the speed of light for months until this float goes away.
Assumptions with no real evidence to back it up.
As of now token price are dropping rather than raising, which means everything is happening as predicted: token costing half as much TP as before is having a real impact on ingame economy, even with the compensation attached.
Funny how you’re saying this when you are the one who questioned my ability to speak english and my ability to do my job as a translator:
PS: Half of learning a language is to understand it. If my English is as
hard to understand as you say, then you should consider improving your
ability to understand English.
Then you should have no issue making sense of my English. Making sense of what you read is the first half of translation,
putting it into sentences others can make sense of as well, is the
second half of translation.
Yeah that’s not flaming. That’s totally needed. Your English is perfect and it’s my fault for not understanding your poorly structured sentences, weird ass grammar and awkward spellings.
Tho I think I should point out:
Token prices on Fedimian are currently 700k. They were at 350k on F2P release, and about 450-500k before/after.
Basing your prices on a new server with a yet unstable economy proves nothing.
It means you have like-minded friends. That’s quite natural, I would say.
And if you can work however many hours you please, while still getting paid. Not to mention, work at any place and time you please.
That in itself would not be a bad thing, considering that the game isnt available on steam anymore. (unless you already have it)
Handing out compensation to the wrong target group makes it apparent they no competence. Compensation was handled in a very lazy and thoughtless way.
Comparisons can be always be made, ofcourse. But they should atleast try to make them in a way that makes sense.
Ah nice, even more pointless flaming. Remember, it was you who boasted about being a translator.
I merely explained to you how especially as a translator it should be much easier to understand others when they write in a language you are accustomed to translating into.
Yes and if you ask around the token price on fed would likely to have been higher before. But you wouldn’t know would you? You barely play the game.
But you sure talk like you’ve been playing it 24/7 though.
Your Varena prices are all nice and dandy, but I’m not sure what you are trying to proof with them.
I thought you were smart? The price drop proves that in a server with high population, the token price in the market is influenced by how much TP they cost. The less tp they cost, the less they are being sold on the market. Which proves the whole arguement of “TP has no bearings on market price” wrong.
It means you have like-minded friends. That’s quite natural, I would say.
Right so please explain to me how you can admit to having bad grammar and english and somehow blame the other guy for not understanding you.
Because quite frankly, i could ask anybody on the street and they’d say the same thing, that what you said is confusing as hell. I bet i can post on a random forum and people would ask you to clarify what you said.
But i guess its everyone else’s fault?