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Lvl170 - 2H vs. Xbow + Mana-mana - Current BIS

Yea, i guess i wasn’t missunderstanding mechanics, i was misunderstanding you interpretation of it. Still RS will net you more damage to single target things like bossing, if you don’t have Pyrolinker for that nice combo like you shown here, as split arrow will only net you 200% modifier if there is no other targets to hit. This synergy is really cool and i didn’ thought about that. About R3 meta, i wasn’t following it myself on iToS, as even my first F3 Archer went with A2-R2, and later i even thouth that i’ve made stupid mistake, and shoud’ve gone via A2-R1-S1 path for some nice Utility+Flare, R3 on iToS doesn’t provide you with KRs OP Steady Aim, Bounce shot is retarded, and Spiral, as nice as it can get, have too long of a CD to outweight loosing 25% crit rate buff from A2 imo.

From my understanding of this screenshot, it got 1 base hit of Split Arrow, 200% arrows from it went to Fireballs and transfered to a boss via link, so a grand total of 500% damage.
@Dream btw, are you going mostly full STR on this S3 build you have now? As my fresh SR can’t learn his attributes and its kinda sad, i’d be happy to start llvling my scout xD

EXACTLY. Those who have went against high level content using a QS C3 are the only ones who can understand where I’m getting at. It really REALLY sucks to grind at Alemeth, Evac, etc if you’re QS C3, you’d feel like a total burden due to your single target DPS.

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Does this mean Boss got 3 hit per Split arrow or just 1 hit?
[/quote]Should only be 3 hits. The main arrow and the 2 splitting arrow but sometimes it glitches and the splitting arrows does 2 hits each to the boss becoming a total of 5 hits.

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Still RS will net you more damage to single target things like bossing
[/quote]Nope. I have a 440+ STR QS C3 and with the help of Rogue C3, I have 100 crit chance but I still find the damage underwhelming. Do not underestimate Double Flare’s sustained DPS because it has a base 90% modifier that ticks at .5s intervals. At Lv100 attributes, this will become 180% per tick, Double Flare means 360% per tick, since it ticks at .5s intervals this will become 720% per second.

This pretty much, although 500% is misleading. Better use 500% modifier + the multiplied skill damage.

Yes, since having Rogue’s Sneak Hit buff, you would not worry much about crit chance. My aim is just to have 350-400 crit rate with the help of gems/stuff/gears and some DEX investment. Everything else on STR while CON is fixed 30 stat pt investment.

I’ve completely understanding your point in farmin Alemeth and Eva as a QS3, especialy if you went Musket or smthing, i’ve already expirienced it on my QS3 when i was in Demon Prison. But honestly it still kinda depends on your party. One time i was partied with 2 Ele3/Wl in Alemeth as Fletcher, and i felt like a completely uselss thing that is getting carried for free.
Thanks for anwering, gonna try to level spec like yours :smiley:

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well hell yeah i agree! but this one is a must.The boss receives 13k damage per hit “as long as it is linked with fire ball” correct? and if not linked? then what to do? :open_mouth:

I am also thinking Sap2 for traps might be nice also, but I will miss A2 here, which is a big trade of. for A QS3 Sap2 Canon/Musk

I’m not really confident iwth Flare shot as its AoE is very small, but its really strong.

well your build seems good as its very flexible, what can you see as its CONS?

I have a partner Pyrolinker always so doing the Split Arrow combo isn’t a problem for me on most cases. Luckily, some WB hunters also links the Fireballs to the boss so I benefit on it lol. If you’re talking about Siaulau where its unreliable to have a Pyrolinker all the time, then you just rely on Double Flare, Feint+Barrage and spamming Lv10 Multi-shot while everything else is on CD.

Sapper2>Wugu2>Cannon is also a famous AOE build on KR. I’m just not sure how it fares.

Flare Shot definitely needs the help of a Cryomancer C3. I’ll also post a very nice trick with Flare Shot + Camouflage on my build. It’s really fun and useful time to time.

Indeed, my build is a jack of all trades, master of none. The only CON I see, I need certain scenarios before being able to perform the same or outperform Fletchers or Ele3. Like needing a Cryo C3 before Flare Shot can be reliable AOE. At the very least, Flare Shot is TRUE AOE and does not rely on AOE attack ratio unlike Crossfire.

im not pretty sure of that % on attribute gives,

does it means at lvl100 = 100% increase damage

For instance, Split Arrow
at lvl 0 att:
Main Arrow hits 3,000
Split Arrow hits 6,000

at lvl100 att:
Main Arrow hits 6,000
Split Arrow hits 12,000

or

The base damage attack damage of skill?
At lvl 5 Split Arrow:
Attack: 631
+0 with lvl0 att

At lvl 5 Split Arrow:
Attack: 631

  • 631 with lvl100 att

well, i believe its the first one, as its very expensive to upgrade att.

How about PvP potential of that build?

Enhance attri works pretty much at the end of a damage formula, so if you hit for 3000 with all your gear mana mana and all other head enchants and shits, it’ll boost it to 6000, yes.

I see, I always thought it will just double the Base Attack damage of the skill, that’s why i think its not that worthy, but hell yeah in end-game. as it will really doubles your damage.

@Floki sorry for late reply due to hot discussion of Dream’s new build. haha, I see, so at the end PhyAtk + CritAtk should be one of the best combination, I was just curious why people screaming for 3 elem property attack on Headgears.

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You can also see most archers investing alot on Ranger C3 even though it’s not worth it anymore. It’s pretty much the same with the 3 elem atk. Overrated things are overrated.

Once you go for non-full CON build. You’re pretty much doomed in PVP anyways lol

I think playing R3 is still worth it but It depends very much on the build path. I played it as A1-R3-A2-F-Cannoneer in order to get all neccessary buffs for Cannoneer. Its AoE dmg is very high (Cannon Blast cri ard 30K).
R3 is the only class to maximize the damage buff.
The down side is that you need a bit of setup before doing dmg.

However, that’s not the only way. For example, Rogue increase Cri chance is also very useful. Feint increases Barrage 2X.

But I agree that element atk is overrated.

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Can you elaborate pls?

Crossfire takes AOE attack ratio vs AOE defense ratio of enemies into consideration meaning it has limited amount of enemies it can hit while Flare Shot is a true AOE and it will hit as many enemy as it can as long as it’s within the AOE range. There are very few true AOE skills in the game, like Throw Gu Pot, Flame Ground, Frost Cloud, etc.

I see. So vubbe gloves can help with that? Magic arrow with its fixxed 25 hits is a true aoe skill too?

Vubbe will definitely help. To be honest, I’m not sure how AOE attack ratio will affect Magic Arrow but one thing I’m sure of is that Magic Arrow only hits 1 enemy per tick “by default”.

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Ehm, i have lvl 231 fletch c3, and its a first time i’ve heard crossfire has a target limit. From what information i have, it has no AOE Ratio mechanic at all. Also, iToS Frost Cloud was nerfed to have 15 AOE Attack ratio at lvl 5. .

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I just get my info from my Fletcher friend. I think this needs some actual tests if Crossfire is a true AOE or not, sadly I’m not a fan of Fletcher so I don’t have a Fletcher to test it with. Not sure about Frost Cloud, but it seems it doesn’t matter if it it’s true AOE or not with that high default AOE attack ratio. I watch ET vids time to time and Frost Cloud seems to be hitting all mobs.

btw attribute dmg should not multiply elemental damage
btw i think frost cloud has no aoe ratio its unlimitted i never saw a big pack not diying from it …
There are spells like hail with a hardcap …
And skilsl like multishot with a AoE Ratio

Apparently, damage attributes does multiply elem atk. I was also under the impression that it does not until I tested it myself. Should be on one of the previous posts.

well than ele dmg is really not far behind to crit attack …
i think u need over 70% critchance that a maxroll crit dam is better as a max rol ele xD
And than someone should investigate it because in the Damage Formula Topic
ele dmg is clearly not affected by the attribute multiplier …
Only by property multiplier of the monster

(((((Skill Attack + Effective Attack) + (random(0% … 100%) *
Magic Amplification)) * (100% + T0)) - ((Effective Defense * (100% +
Level Penalty)) + Elemental Resistance)) * (100% + (0 or 50% if crit)) +
(0 or Critical Attack) + Extra Elemental Attack + Enemy Specific
Damage) * (100% + T1) * (100% + T2) * (100% + T3) * (100% + Enhance)
+ Bonus Damage