how is going hakka? I propouse this build time ago focus on critical damage to improve the hakka burst while you can wait the cd with AA from quarrel.
my doubt is if hakka3 damage its good enough to beat the fletcher mergen and the musketer builds.
I got back to itos recently and noticed I have a high delay whenever I change inventory-items (such as item lock/unlock). Auto-swap is a bit laggy too. I don’t know if this is caused by an add-on or just implemented, because I did not notice the delay on the KR client.
@javier.mendez your proposed build is viable. It is a bit weak at AoE. Hackapel3 cannot beat musketeer or fletcher mergen damage output. Hackapel3’s infinite assault skill is not strong at all, so you just get a stronger grind cutter (mainly) at hackapel3. I did not meet any hackapel3 after the end of the reset event.
Musketeer debuff boss with 50% defence break, that debuff is unbeatable. Debuff supports other party members too. Bit weaker at consistent AoE.
Fletcher mergen consistent damage, a lot of skills and includes defence break with bodkin point. Decent at AoE with AoE ratio investments. This is also one of the highest hit-count builds for archers (due to magic arrow and down fall).
Bullet builds are good too. Bit weaker at consistent AoE. The bullets I know all play a variation of ranger3 archer2 rogue builds, so they have high crit on boss from behind. Bullet’s 2 most used offensive skills ignore a portion of def.
Reposting vids, so you will be able to compare some builds (with higher gear) at Mobbing and Bossing.
Drake raidboss
archer2 ranger3 rogue2 bullet3 drake boss<<
ranger3 rogue1 falconer3 hackapel2
ranger3 fletcher3 mergen3 as party member<
archer2 ranger1 wugushi3 musketeer3 rogue1<< . Rangee Po also brings ranger3 fletcher3 mergen3 to raidboss at t=10963 (around 3:00:00 of the vid)
Challenge mode (solo)
ranger3 rogue1 falconer3 hackapel2
quarrel shooter3 rogue2 ranger1 hackapel3 <<
qs3 rogue1falconer3 hackapel2
archer2 ranger3 rogue2 bullet3 <<
Had a vid of ranger3 fletcher3 mergen3 very fast challenge mode solo but it was deleted.
How good is combination between Limacon and Hack appelle? Is Attack speed noticeable?
I did not notice it.
May we have a link to this calculator?
other skill planners still not updated including the one you suggest in the initial post, this one though seems to be in English or translates properly with translation websites so it seems like that should be the one suggested!
Oh and below where you suggest tosbase in the original post under “build” you have wrote:
“Note: hackapel3 is not stronger than hackapel3 because the infinite assault skill is weak.”
This doesn’t make sense if you re-read it! but it seems from context that the second instance of Hakkapelle 3 should read Hakkapelle 2
I made a mistake there. It should indeed read hackapel3 is not a lot stronger than hackapel2. I will correct it.
I suggest this skill simulator for now, until the new one is finished. I know a new one is being built for Steam Server currently.
(English) Thai TOS skill simulator site:
Find it here
Example image:
There’s also the TOSCAMP one: http://toscamp.com/tos/ranksimul/index.php?lan=en
There are a few more but unavailable in English.
I was avoiding hackapell because I like rogue 3 and daggers but eh. I bit the bullet since
Decided to switch from my Ranger c3, rogue c3, Merg c2 to Archer c3, Ranger c1, Rogue c3 Hacka c2 and eventually c3. Tried Pied Piper but that class is…disappointing to say the least. Was going to go BM again but realized I hadn’t done it on this char and got bored doing the quest 
Quite enjoying the gameplay surprisingly of Hackapelle.
175 crit rate +150 evasion from Archer c3.
50 crit damage from ranger 1 + 5% Missile damage.
-75 crit resist from High anchoring as well.
60% Crit Rate from the back for Rogue, + 42% evasion down from Feint.
Its a shame Feint doesn’t have 2 overheart or a lower CD.
Crits come quite easily 
Don’t know about viability but Im enjoying this more then I thought I would. Though still hoping an eventually Dagger based r8 class comes out.
Pied is just a very good filler for pvp, nothing else.
What build are u guys playing now?
A1R3 is the meta now, and hacka2 is the best option so far. That leaves you with 4 circles to build something.
I tried Rogue1Falc3, good aoe but its so slow on dealing dps (for velcoffer raid for example).
im gonna try fletcher now, guess thats all the decent options we have 
is arc1-ran3-rog2-appr-hack3 good for a hack3 build?
Ranger3 Fletcher3 Hackapel2 + 1 filler. Hackapel3 is not worth for most players, so you could take rogue1: feint & barrage + sneak hit, appraiser for debuffs or some other class.
@jonrook49 it’s ok but a bit low on AoE. For new players I willingly recommend the Ranger3 + [rogue1 or archer2 or appraiser] + falconer3 + hackapel2 build. Falconer3 = loved by all and gets party invites easily. Also quite decent at AoE with average single-target damage. Great support&utility.
thanks @greyhiem. also recommended stats? str or dex? i would assume str is the main stat for this build.
Both STR + DEX are viable. You may go full str, full dex, or mix str/dex (or even go con, str, dex, spr).
New archer players I suggest 50-100 CON and 30-80 SPR, then dex & str. If you like to go min-max damage you could go higher str. Especially when you start you will have low critical rate, so dex will not boost your damage a lot.
If you are ranger3 + rogue1 with Feint & Barrage combo, 80-120 dex is ok to barrage faster. Barrage 15 is a must on ranger + rogue builds. The special interaction (mentioned in second post) is very strong and doubles barrage damage. Left click images to enlarge.
You could take barrage 15 on other builds too, but if you dislike barrage, you may opt for this skill distribution:
The falconer3 + hackapel2 skill points do not change for any build.
nice, terse and very informative guide, more than enough hacka2 build to follow.
Yeah, facl3 aoe is amazing on standard pve (farming, running dailies) and has better utility in pvp thanks to falcon cc, but it feels soooo undewhelming on durable bosses like velco or wb. Main problem with falc is that you throw all your skills in 10 secs then you have to wait about half a minute to do real damage again Dx
Im still debating betweeen these two options hhahahaha but yeah, i think that this 2 options are the onlye viable ones.
A2-R1-Wugu1-Rou1-SR3-Hakka2
A1Ra3Fle1Falc3Hakka2
A little observation of Hackpell3
It only increase crit attack by 50% show in status window.
This calculation method is much weaker than Critical shot buff.
For example,
If we have 8000 phy atk and 4000 crit atk.
When we active the Grind Cutter attribute, the total damage of Grind Cutter will increased by
(4000x0.5)/(8000x1.5+4000)x100% = 12.5%.
I think people who consider to go Hack3 will look forward to Grind Cutter’s new attribute.
Please make sure that you understand the mechanism of this attribute before you make decision to go Hack3.
By the way,
I’m trying Hack2 BM1 now 
[TOS] [Hackapell] Trying new build in Velcoffer Nest boss
Not true, but it seems to be calculated differently and weaker than critical shot buff.
My grind cutter damage (per hit, on low defence mob):
Without critical - 114k
Normal critical - 188k
With attribute - 248k
With critical shot - 289k
With attribute and critical shot - 376k
My critical attack is 1205.
Hi Zenigame, thanks for your testing.
Could you also provide your phy attack value for reference?
