at first i believed ToS would never go P2W…
now i’m not so sure 
founders pack is too OP (and i already bought it G_G)
tokens buff are quite strong, specially doing twice more dungeon runs
tokens can be sold for 1~1,5M (korean prices)
hat stats scrolls can be rerolled unlimited times as long as you buy more scrolls
those are all minor signs that ToS is slowly going p2w… but who knows, it might stop there, or even change some things ;d
i don’t think that is P2W. those are rather just VIP package. you got nothing to win.
put it this way: one guy who bought best package ($49) but can only play 3-4 hours a day. the other one only bought normal access package ($9) but able to play for 10 hours a day. how do you judge this pay to win?
here it is:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/LanceTomazelli/recommended/372000/
and why do people always ignore the word “minor”? am i miss-translating it or something?
i tried to point out something too. token is a way for them to attract players to buy from commercial item, otherwise the company can’t make money 
no worry, it is still safe being turned into P2W, my friend. eventually, 95% players will equipped with token (regardless using real money to buy or using silvers to buy).
Anyone?
Pretty please.
Um… I wouldn’t necessarily be so sure:
This link you posted might be directed to the old CBT official website, which was obsolete and no longer existed, so I guess you could not find this thread anymore.
i think tokens shouldn’t be tradeable
and then just put an NPC that sells token for 1~1,5M (aproximatelly the price it was on kTOS)
no whales getting ridiculously rich, and F2P players can have token benefits
win-win
“oh but they won’t get as much money as they could”
they can have more than enough with skins and cosmetics in general… and i believe this shouldn’t even be used as an argument .-.
plus, it’d be a proof that they’re against any P2W models, as they claim to be
Oh, that’s a bummer, man.
Thanks anyways for the reply!
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Yeah, but not a win for IMC since whales won’t buy tokens anymore.
Right now wales just buy tokens for f2p players. If token was rebalanced so trade is free for all and no stats, then making it unsellable can be a good idea. But I doubt they will get as much money with just skins and cosmetics.
And actually selling token is not pay2win, since market regulates prices by itself. So players pay for it as much money as they can spend on it. Though for new players it would be hard to compete with prices. There should be price cap for any items you sell based on character level, like multiplier for a standard price cap for level 1. So max token price at level 1 would be 100k, while at level 280 it would be 3m for example. Something like that will help avoiding overupgraded low level characters who skyrocket throw all the locations up to lvl 280. Exp books and token 30% benefit should be enough.
That just means nobody buys tokens until lvl 280. Or people will just hold onto any tokens they buy until lvl 280.
What percentage of the total iToS playerbase do you think will reach that max level?
Actually for player who cares about being competitive 1.5m per months is not a lot at all.
And for casual players token is not very important. So I think that removing trading restriction won’t hurt IMC at all, just grants people some freedome.
But I don’t see anything bad in trading tokens.
i’m starting to think that people on the internet don’t know how to read
or that my english is really, really bad
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I just want premium gestures to be purchasable instead of being a token benefit…but you cant wish for everything ye :c
i like how people just ignore 80% of the text, see the word “P2W” and start screaming “THIS GAMU IS NOT P2W”
i’m really starting to think that the word “minor” means something else in english
contradiction,
and yeah, they can change the price however they want, and fix it (or not) in the price they feel like it should be
it’s not even hard to do some floating prices based on the number of sales
so why don’t they just sell exp cards and stuff? they’ll make more money
giving away part of your income is part of not letting it go p2w
quote myself
##MINOR
league of legends, path of exile… there should be more games that make more money than you could imagine
Actually league sells exp boosters. So yeah, if stats would be removed from tokens it’d only become better.
Exp boost and 2x attribute is good enough, add here market benefits and it’s just great. Though price might need some adjustments but we don’t know iToS price for Token yet.
if you really think the money they make from exp boosters is they major income, i don’t know what to say to you
and i won’t even enter the discussion that exp on both games is a completely different mechanic
if you just want to criticize with some useless argument, then it’s okay, good job