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Krivis, Bokor and Taoist are the worst classes in Tree of Savior

Do you have any recent videos that show Damballa doing 18 lines of damage? Seems like you calculated the math of Damballa wrong

All the ones I could find show it only doing 4-5… at most… like this

Meanwhile, heal and cure are killing more enemies than Damballa is.

If Damballa is really that hard to pull off properly, that makes the skill worse than I thought.

Also, Atari, are you trying to prove Bokor to be strong so that it doesn’t get buffed? Make me seem delusional by pointing out one of the few strengths of the class?

I’ll fix it for you : Kabbalist, Pardoner and Oracle are the worst Classes in Tree of Saviour

You argument that Bokor,Taoist and Krivis are weak, but what about looking at the Classes that are so bad that literarily noone takes them at max (current) Circle for any purposes aside being a funbuild or shopbuild?



You cry about e.g. Effigy and Damballa + Zombies being weaker than Heal.

Same could be said about Indulgentia and Decatose.
Those skills are bad at damaging and even consume my silver for every cast. IMC stated that the costs should be a variable that increases the skillfactor of skills, but I can’t see it in these 2 skills.

They outright suck: Level 15 Indulgentia has 541% damage with 30 seconds CD (even one overheat of level 5 Zaibas has more damage [738%] with the same CD time and no silver costs) and level 5 Decatose has 980% damage for 1500 silver spent [and not even an attack increasing attribute].

The rest of Pardoners skills are also trash, especially the skill Increase Magic Defence. It has an uptime of ~50% and gives 270 magic defence at level 15 if you have 500 SPR. Meanwhile, Barrier of Paladin has no downtime, consumes 5 skillpoints and has an even higher magic defence boost due to the 0,5x magic defence in the formula.

1,5 times your magic defence at decent gear (220+) is over 4121,5 (412 is the unenhanced value of level 220 magic grade Plate armor set) +x1,5 [accessories also give mdef] +130 [level 5 Barrier Bonus]. And Barrier doesn’t stop here, it also helps against ranged attacks and holds off melee monsters. Rank 4 Class outwitted Rank 5 Class.




Next is Oracle. That Class has only two skills to deal damage, Death Sentence (a Circle 2 skill) and Twist of Fate (a Circle 3 skill). Both skills can only target 1 monster, and both skills have tremendous downsides.

Death Sentence, for a start, has two big merits: the CD time (200 seconds) and the delay between cast and kill. Basically this skill takes up to 56 seconds to kill only a single monster, no matter the HP,defence,etc.
This skill is total bullshit without any overheats, a reasonable AoE or a reasonable CD time. It also doesn’t affect Bossmonsters.

Next is Twist of Fate. This skill is complete crap, because it heals the target after cutting a part of its HP away for twice the amount, making it only viable as a finishing move. Again, it only works for one target, cannot be spread with Joint Penalty e.g., has a high CD time (35 seconds) and isn’t affected by your gear at all (fixed 32-40% HP reduction at level 5; only halved damage against bosses).

The rest of the Classes skills are fun but lackluster and random, most good skills are already available at Circle 1…
For a Class that starts at Rank 6 and ends at 8 this Class is way way too weak and useless for this game.




Last but not least Kabbalist. Only 1 damage skill [if we don’t consider Revenged Sevenfold], which got turned into a support skill at Rank 8, has an unearthly CD time and deals less damage than most other skills available ingame from Rank 5 onwards[2175% every 45 seconds]in the same timeframe.

The skills are lackluster for PVE, the buff-/debuff durations too short and the CD times too high to be viable without Dievdirbys. Double Chance is total crap because other players can trigger it,too, wasting your several seconds to set up a damage boost that lasts only 1 hit. Reduce Level is complete nonsense and a waste of points; basically the scaling of all skills is broken beyond repair aside from Ein Sofs HP increement.

Waste two Ranks for lackluster support instead of useful support and damage as Plague Doctor, Inquisitor and/or Taoist. Even 1 Circle of those 3 Classes is better at everything than 2,5 Circles of Kabbalist.

Bokor, Krivis and Taoist are fine, go play Oracle C3, Kabbalist C2 or Pardoner C3 and learn how frightening failed balance can be in actual gameplay!!!

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Well, it is currently bugged, as a workaround measure until they fix the skill I’ve found that moving away from the circle tends to start zaibas. Also getting pardoner buffs will greatly increase your damage.

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Not sure why you’re showing me Zaibas (Krivis) when the part I was talking about was Damballa (Bokor), project much?

Since your memory seems to be shorter than goldfish, here’s your own math earlier, and mine.[quote=“Lurii, post:19, topic:361674”]
Level 15 heal is circle 3 Cleric which can be obtained at rank 3

With divine might, heal is level 16, doing 16 hits normally

That’s 16 x 228 damage, = 3648% overall Heal has 2 overheats, meaning that’s 32 x 228 damage, = 7296% overall

With blessing, from pardoner, heal does 32 hits

That’s 32 x 228 damage, = 7296% overall Heal has 2 overheats, meaning that’s 64 x 228 damage, = 14592% overall
[/quote]

Yes you did your math, I ALSO DID MINE. Even assuming you’re correct in that Hexing somehow only adds 30 skill factor, that’s still 16830 as I mentioned previously.

As for your Damballa video, since you seem to not want to research in fear of realizing you’re wrong, here’s how it works.

Damballa explode however many zombies are in the AoE, in that video there’s about 4-5 of them, hence the 4-5 lines in the AoE, it also remains around to attempt to explode a few more waves, or up until the cap is reached (15 at lv 5, 18 at lv 6) Heck, if you watched it more than one second, you can see Damballa explode the next set of zombies that spawned.

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Why so selective? For the argument’s sake?


Cannot say anything about Krivis/Tao, never played them.

May I ask you, do you have Bokor C3? Because it explodes zombies in a few waves. If a new zombie walk into its range/spawn and Damballa is not at its limit, then it will explode too. Also, no DM on that video. 15 max.

I doubt it would work.

And you are pointing out only weaknesses, largely exaggerated.

By the way I’m planning to reset my

Cleric 2→Bokor 3→Miko → Plague Doctor
into
Cleric 2→X→Sadhu3→ Plague Doctor.

When reset event will come.

Still not sure if Cleric 3 or Bokor 1 will fit better. Seems like Cleric 3 in this case, because less hotkeys = better. Still not sure about losing Effigy and meatshield.

@rofldat ninja’d me again :3

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you already said this in another thread and it was debunked

kabbalist is not weak

just because oracle c3 and pardoner c3 suck doesn’t mean these don’t

here i’ll just show these

here we can see ur misinformed posts as someone who has never played a krivis

you literally said there what you said here word for word

see how many people are unhappy with Krivis and Taoist

https://image.prntscr.com/image/bccd6c6945b14a0d932c9006290ca37b.png

i c u adeodatus

stop trying to make it seem like Krivis, Bokor and Taoist are “fine” when they aren’t

Cleric 3 is still popular and on the rise though… How does there being Cleric 2s disprove Cleric 3s existing?

Also, right now I have a Bokor 2. Leveling is really slow, maybe because idk, It takes me 50 seconds to kill a single monster.

if you were on Klaipeda Atari would you please carry me through quests :sob:

Diev 1. Laima to get that Transmit Prama to 64s CD and boost your overall damage by the CD reduction.

Also, less mentioned benefit of Diev 1 is Vakarine teleport won’t charge you the teleport fee itself (similar to the 2TP teleport scroll), i.e. You only pay the tiny amount for that Oak Wood and you can teleport up to those 3000+silver cost area up north for nothing. If you’re proactive with using Carve Attack on all plant enemies then you can even get the material for free as well.

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Because it uses Cleric skillset against ground mobs and Effigy against flying ones or autoattacks. Bokor w/o C3/PD is bad indeed.

Fedimian before, now ライマ. Didn’t even grab leaf penguin/resets/free pack.

I have a certain illogical prejudice against classes that depend on consumables like Fletcher or even Priest, but maybe I’ll try this out, thanks.

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I have both Krivis and Taoist, so I don’t know what you’re even aiming at.
I know very well how good they are if they are treated properly.

Krivis has well enough support potential for a Rank 2 Class,
if you can’t see it or won’t understand it I can’t help you or the other people in that thread you pulled out here to make me look bad, just because people don’t know & appreciate the potential of a Rank 2 Class.

If Krivis were any better, it would possibly damage the Priest and Cleric C3 options, as it could become a “too good to pass”-option easily.

Kabbalist is bad. It’s basically a filler Class for Rank 7 on some builds, mostly on those builds that either require lots of SP (e.g. Paladin&Inquisitor) or are hybrid PvE&PvP or pure PVP.

Gematria & Notarikon do practically nothing on their own, Reduce Level is now[after the monster nerf] even more useless than before, Double Chance is only useable with coordinated partyplay or soloplay and has limited synergies within the Cleric Class tree, Ein Sof has still downtime without Dievdirbys’ Laima [in contrast to the immortal Healing Factor] and limited use [either become a HP sponge or refill your SP for free].

Revenged Sevenfold after the evasion nerf is basically useless in PVE, it only protects against one hit and triggers on everything indiscriminately[also scales badly with level].

Pull out any Rank 7/8 Class and compare it, nothing is as bad as Kabbalist when it comes to support or damage. The only good things in this Class are the attributes for Ein Sof and Circle 2 Merkabah.

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Isn’t priest too good right now that can’t be pass because of how strong blessing is now? Stop saying that zaibas is fine when it’s not. It’s worse than normal attack, also it’s only attacking skill that krivis has and it doesn’t even work. Compare other c2 classes which are good balanced like cryomancer. Ice blast have 700+% while snow rolling has 300+% and it’s multi hit as zaibas. Why zaibas can’t have at least 200%? It’s only attacking skill which krivis has so it should be stronger. It would be a problem if krivis has many attacking skills but he has only zaibas. As I’m said before zaibas is multi hit so mobs can just move away, that’s why it need to be stronger…

Also krivis was better before balance patch but I don’t remember to see characters with krivis c3 everywhere. They weren’t that common to be honest. There were also many priests but now there are literally no characters with krivis and priests are everywhere. Stop saying nonsense.

Also real balance should make all classes relevant, not rank 2 worse that rank 5 for example. If someone wan’t to have two 3 circle rank 2 classes why shouldn’t he can to? Only when all classes were similiar we could say that this game has real class diversity.

As for cabbalist wait for rank 9 it’s pretty sure that those skills will have better usage then, so stop saying how bad it is because there’s still one circle to made.

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Is that what your video is trying to prove? I only saw you killing the truffles that where downed by Dambala by 10% or less HP, then you finished them off with it.

Also, I got your healing damage in the video, each block cause around 2.5k dmg, while Dambala each zombie cause 6k dmg, where is healing better on killing than Dambala? I want to understand your logic.

If someone already saw the above and commented sorry I’m passing through the posts since there are too much information.

I can try it out with my char too (later tho) and check, but I’m sure my heal hit around 3k each tile or a bit more (I don’t recall now since I only played her once since the changes) and my Dambala went from 8k to 12k per zombie.

Just gonna jump in here (yay my thread got linked by someone that’s not myself, mission accomplished)

Go test hexing so you can properly discuss things like this; we swordies can do it because I’ve compiled it all; we know exactly what’s going on for damage…with some odd exceptions (punish EQ is weird). Don’t expect me to do it for every other class out there, I don’t have infinite time on my hands (unfortunately, else I totally would)

Hexing almost certainly is a +30% group 2 modifier (like most bonus damage in the game right now, exceptions being barb’s wild nature, and then the armour/element modifier)

I’d be incredibly amazed if it was in the skill group and just added onto it additively. That’s hella unlikely.

Taoist is just for AFK ET Floors
Krivis 1 for Daino, scrolls too expensive

Priest blessing only important if you are chaplain or melee class, which require constant buffing and a set number of spr invested.

If you are pd2 or magic caster, blessing is a waste of skill points. As 1 skill = 1 hit count used, i supposed.

Cleric was supposed to be a support class, previously krivis was out dpsing most swordmans, archer, wizard and brag about it. Hence the nerf hammer.

I guess it will never get a buff again, but there might be hope. If they release a similar necklace like agny that boost 50% on lightning attacks.

I’d rather they buff Krivis support abilities.

Like reducing the CD on Aukuras so it’s actually easier to relocate, similar to what they did to Diev statues. (Owl used to have 105s CD, now it’s only 50s)

Makes Meltsis’s additional duration based on the maximum duration of the buff, not the current remaining time.

Yeah, Aukarus’ effects are decent but it suffers from that 2 minute cooldown while being unmovable makes it only applicable to timed events or solo grinding. That being said level 15 lets us keep two up at the same time :D. (Even if they don’t buff zaibas I’m still keeping it at lvl 15 :joy:)

LMAO look how bad Krivis and Taoist are

Taoist is good for suport =D
Bokor is ok.
Krivis is ■■■■

i need some advice
krivis3-bokor3-taoist
or
krivis2-bokor3-plague doc1-taoist
since melstis an dzaibas r ded