based from my experience in nahash forest against blue spion archer, cloth doesnt reduce spiral arrow damage. The only way THAT I KNOW to significantly reduce spiral arrow damage is by stacking high Pdef (the highest i can get is from superior royal guard armor+pants)+max lv aspersion from pardoner.
@unicorntheshiny: is it true?
Thatâs correct. TSC archers need 2.5k ± pdef to negate damage. (1 damage)
Canât remember the actual value.
Plate infact is better negating physical. cloth more for mdef/mage damage.
Cloth does reduce (meele or physical Pierce damage) which all range damage is now move to missile (property pure).
Spiral arrows and all old (mostly bow skills) like magic arrow are Missile + pierce. so yes but that was before R8
Cloth armor is more for banking to cheese pass mage mobs on higher as with significant mdef ( 1.6k +) mages hit you for 500-600 instead of 3k ranges.
This allow you to quest in ease as you should have 1.1k + evasion that mitigate 80% range/physical damages.
do you have STR rogue friends? do they shift to DEX rogue or still continue to be STR rogue?
yes i do have str rouge friends.
Mostly still went on banking full str since they have no issue. they do have the capability to adapt to solo/party plays. If you are wondering about Crit rate. They are able to hit 100% crit with just sneak hit. with low investment of crit items ( mostly just 1 max peta + 2 sissel)
Had 3-4 actually.
With parties play there not much need of WW cards anyway.
The core issue so far i heard from them complaining is still magic damage or mis-position when their cloak end lol.
Mostly rouge/scout come in pairsâŠ
If you are SR. the more you arenât afraid of end content because pengu and bird give you so much HP and Phyiscal defense +evasion⊠itâs ⊠damâŠ
(up to 6k hp 300 pdef, 100 evasion depending how much you want spend on your pet ugprades)
FYI i am experimenting max min crit rate count stats
please dontâ follow my stats build. This is more of a showcase on HP stat i only have 1 con invested. for my SR also level 235 only @_@
how come the HP and crit rate is that high? virtov plate+red gem and dgc+green gems? or the secret is in your 3 HC?
dgc + greens. Was using my musket transfer over DCG.
this is pre buff, buffed should be around 650~
Virtov plate 4 reds (1k each hp).
You do notice my defense is near 600 ( no aspersion buff) yea one of my HC has 100 pdef.
The rest is pretty much just pure phy damage.
I have 0 cards equiped too.
My pengu itself added 3.4k hp, 44 evasion and 20 pdef.
I am actually counting how much STR (1.8) PD + Crit atk offers verus adding dex in balance + gear check and stats comparision.
For max min purpose using my SR as a Dummy to play with before resetting for my physical characters. (obviously overloading dex is a bad idea) so the rest will go to strength. Cheers
i notice that r7 can reach lv 15 before lv 280. Can r8 reach lv 15 before lv 330 too? if yes, then would it be better to stay at that level until the next rank release to keep your crit chance high?
u can hit R8 level 15 by 315.
Staying 15 behind you gurantee you a 1 shot from WB assuming you are into WB contents. ( my priest was 318 for a blud excavation i died in 1 shot 27k hp from his aoe)
Itâs that bad for a addition 10 level difference. If you are making it just for leisure. Itâs fine to stop there. As a DPS orientated class. Itâs best to go for levels equal to mob or more. Level scaling issue can be improved by gears and stats build any way.
Prac quest requires 317 so lel.
thanks for the info about cloth armor, pretty much appreciate it 
a bit question, how can we get 1500+ mdef in r8 content? Do we need the new 315 shield to achieve that?
If you are a archer, pretty much upgrading accessories/trascending and high tier cloth set.
IF you are not. 315 shields are there (orange one add 440).
Nuaele cards.
Hello, I need a little help. I found this guide very late, and I thought it looks fun so Iâll follow it! But I already Archer 3 Scout 1. I plan to get Scout 3 and Rogue.
The question is, as now we have 8 ranks, which one is better,
- get Ranger 1 and then Rogue 1 after Scout 3, or
- get Rogue 2, or
- get Rogue 1 and then another gambling Class?
I would go with Falconer instead of Rogue.
His idea of taking rogue was because
- Sneak hit enables him to go high strength build
- Feint barrage synergy
- Capture flare shot and arrow sprinkle, which eventually becomes double flare+arrow sprinkle, which is amazing burst.
So ranger and rogue comes in combo.
With changes made on gem recently, high dex build becomes much better, since the damage loss can be made up from red or yellow gems, and dex gives us valuable evasion ( and accuracy for non-archer physical damage class), which gives us much better survival and enables us to save more on hp pots.
High strength is still possible though, but requires much more investments.
If you went archer 3, as nicola said, falconer-mergen is the way to go.
Alternatively, Tiaa, top player (as in, top 1 in achievement point) from varena server went ranger at rank 7, for steady aim, to take advantage of hugh damage from mergen. Although it is not recommended by most people, he somehow made it work.
Your choice really. As long as you are able to make it work, and depend on what you want to achieve. If you plan to do only 145 dungeon, the only important part is scout 3 split arrow and its attribute. If you plan to do it beyond that, you might want to think carefully what content you intend to do more.
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No, you donât want to go rogue with that setup, I have the idreamy scout at 280 and the build you wanna go at 330. You want archer3-scout3-falc1-mergen1. Please take a moment (only like a 60-80sec video) and go to the âhow to setup infinite sp fpr your scout3 in the 145 dngnâ thread, in the 1st post click and watch the video to see what the build can do firsthand. You only mess with rogue if you stopped archer at 2 circles and took a ranger splash.
These old guys can be problematic, people follow them not knowing how the game changed over these months.
I tried something for fast farm 130 dungeon:
- no gems yet
- +8 khasti
- 1650-1807 damage
- 0 dexterity
- max petamion and 2 x sissel bracelets, 33 split arrow, 50 flare shot, 50 barrage, 50 critical shot.
It took me only 23 minutes while being 224.
Build was archer 1 + ranger 2 + rogue 1 + scout 3, Iâm focusing on fast farm, fast double cubes and maybe my 7th petamion recipe.
With higher level + isbality and manamana + 4 x rank 6red gems it will extremely fast.
A hamster with a sharp stick can clear the 132 in 15 minutes, that cant be used as a baseline for anything. Furthermore any low level dungeon such as the 132 or 145 can easily be cleared with 0 dex, when you start playing the actual game though on high level maps you will be obliterated. We have been posting screenshots for you guys of our full DEX characters with 2300+ Physical Attack, 800+ Crit rate and 1300+ Evasion, Iâm not sure what else you need to see or hear before you understand that STR atm is an absolute waste of an stat.
I facepalm hard when people comment "Gonna follow idreamyâs guide 100% with full str"
please read patches 
i think idreamy really needs to update that guide, so people wonât be following this.
Going full str with 8 werewolf cards is very expensive, and to match the dps of someone who went full dex with red/yellwo gems youâll need to spend A LOT more silver even if you go rogue, its just easier to punch in dex and have those crazy red gems in your weapon and to transcend it.
Every single 1 of my chars is dex now, my QS 3 SR, my hoplite dragoon, my scout 3, and my lancer.
Always get #1 dps in saluus runs/missions.
Itâs just that gems costs less than lvl 10 werewolf cards⊠You can gem abrasives from uphill and buy your lvl 1 gems from the market for 10k. waste minimal silver.
Just realize that a lvl 7 yellow gems give 470 critical attack, and a lvl 7 red gem gives 310 maximum attack
stack up 2 of those and thats more than you can possibly get from str even if you go 100% str
weapon transcendence can give more than 3-5k physical attack on most weapons (there is a korean with a stage 10 2h sword with 8k physical attack)
If you read well, I never followed his build, some people go full werewolf cards or glass moves etcâŠ
You get oblitarated with bad gear, do you even remember than for non fencers full dex, evade wonât really help you at rank8 content?
Please provide us your hamster with no weapon (sharp stick) video.
You can post your screenshot even 20 times but people can disagree too, you know?
I donât understand that how a STR âreworkâ is so hard to understand and itâs not like people have 2 3 stats resets left.
Not knowing the rework and the rank 9 10 (11) or sudden mass monsters with high block like the mages classes got trolled, you can predict the future with so much accuracy lol?