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Id rather buy the game instead of p2w(nexon)

same here (even ive bought like 4 arcanas in DOTA2 huehue)

but it’ll be a bad idea… there are other ways for the devs to make money other than making the game F2P or P2Win and besides i like a game that has alot of players in it and it’ll make finding-party for grind or boss hunt easier

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Where have they confirmed that they’re going to publish it themselves? I only read that they’re not going to publish it themselves and are actively looking for publisher.

I’ll save my reasoning.
Nope. I wouldn’t buy this game if it were B2P/P2P.

Problem is it doesn’t work for a game you want to keep producing content for on a regular basis. That’s why the service model is so popular. Either cash shop(Eve Online/Tera), monthly fee(in the rare case of FFXIV’s fanatical player base), or frequent expansions(original Guild Wars). Otherwise cash flow can be a roller coaster.

The motto of most content rich multiplayer games right now is get the game on the market as soon as it’s fun and functional… Use the income to continue building or end up like Flagship Studios. Cause even if you got a team of rockstars it doesn’t mater if you don’t have cash flow. And you can get an idea of whether the product is worth continued investment by how the well the revenue stream holds up.

Well considering that this website itself is the main website of IToS, I would assume that since no other logo other than IMCgames is in the website, that they are going to self-publish.

I haven’t seen any word at all that they were actively looking for a publisher for International servers since we already have a distributor (Steam), and only recently has JToS been announced to have Nexon as their publisher. I can’t conclusively say that they are self-publishing however I can almost guarantee that they are self-publishing. But here are some previous posts on IToS publishers.

There was an article about the producer specifically stating he didn’t want Nexon America because of their poor reputation. Probably could google it up but I’m way to lazy right now.

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Now, guys. I may be the guy but with the unliked opinion, but it must be said.

Nexon got better. I recently looked at maplestory again and saw several things:

  • star enforce system
  • reward points (Get points - ingame - and buy cash shop items with them, or atleast get an discount)
  • reboot server (Server with only cosmetic cash shop items)

Two years ago, if someone would have said “nexon will bring these concepts to maplestory” they would have been called undercover PR agents. But nexon did. They are no saints, but who is one?

Finally, let’s not forget: There are worse companies then nexon. Much worse.

Interesting… I hadn’t heard about the reboot server. Sounds like they’re testing the waters. Maybe after seeing how much money they lost on neverwinter online.

Read more about reboot here:

EDIT: i wanted to directly link, but instead it loads the whole blog.

YOU’RE A NEXON PR AGENT!!! lol jk

But yeah you’re right. There are worse companies than NexonNA but it has a notorious name atm. Until they change and people actually start seeing it in a different light (not just testing the waters with reboot server in MS), then we wouldn’t be so against it or at least I wouldn’t as I can’t talk for others. But I’m seriously confused as to how NexonKR and NexonNA have such different reputations.

BTW is there any NA publisher that DOESN’T have a bad reputation? I can’t seem to think of any of the “bigger” companies that do have a good reputation.

Also wanting to know this if anyone can answer.Can’t think of one with generally positive reviews from the public.Mixed maybe,but not more good.

CCP games probably with EVE Online, maybe? They’re the company that started that whole pay for game time with in-game money bit. A pristine reputation goes basically to GGG and they don’t share their financials with anyone. The only things they have shared is information on their two fund raisers and that got them 1.2mil+2.5mil. They started with a team of 20 and run a team of 50 now.
Source: http://www.develop-online.net/news/path-of-exile-secures-1-2-million-in-crowdfunding/0113205
Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10862594

For comparison with another content rich game: Witcher 3 made 5mil in it’s first few weeks and will continue to have trickle in money for a long while. And CD Project is pretty ecstatic over that. Think they paid for the game already and then some.

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Do you live in Japan?

If the answer is no then what nexon does is irrelevant to you.

talk about how steam games selling 1m.
all of them are like english based with some marketing behind them (like console releases) they aren’t foreign localized games

sorry but that list has ZERO application to ToS.
as a Buy 2 Play it would be surprising to see it even move 100k-150k units at the most.
with even less being active within the game buying into the cashshop (because the purchase of the game really doesn’t cover the cost of the continued upkeep of staff and servers, that’s still done by an in game cash shop)

even Guild wars 2 has a cash shop, and also made it’s core game free recently too. (no more b2p)

I agree with what your saying but that change is only because of the expansion the expansion is still purchase and comes with the original game so its not really free.

gasp

You spoke bad about the sacred Nexon, the almighty cash whore! I’m sending a ticket! Expect a swift ban between 4-8 months!

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IM SORRY ! IM SORRY ! :cry:

Cash shop is too much a money bringer to not have in the game. And with an asian-based online game, a gacha-system will always follow.

The real question is that it’d be fair to both rates and content inside. for example, you would never want a gacha as awfully broken a system as cosmic breaks absurdity. 1% chance in a payed gacha to get something so incredibly broken those who have it almost always win against those who play for free causing people to drop upwards of $200 just to get it to be competitive.
Compare that to say… Mabinogi’s gacha (oh hey a nexon game) which 90% of the time the main prize is just fancy outfits everyone wants or other equipment that looks cool, but doesn’t give any real huge benefit to owning because of how stats are in that game. (of course, they screw you other with reforges instead, but that’s not a gacha.) even though the rates aren’t much better it’s not like you miss out on anything other than visually.

Pretty much the only consistent way for an MMO to make money through the cash shop without becoming pay to win is by adding a tonne of costumes and the game becoming a fashion game.

O god no. That would make me not spend money. But i suppose its what gets the most out of the majority and not me specifically.