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How to Gear +23?

Support is still IMC staff,

What, if the support team itself doesn’t know about the game or is lying what else or what could be worse,

great.

Again this is the problem, there may not be enough transparency even among devs and other imc staff. Here we go again, sigh.

The usual tactic again: when in doubt, call him a troll. It doesn’t help your case.

In any case, you don’t even realise what the problem just like you don’t realise what you are saying.
You decide to believe that there’s no way to exploit enhancement, then good for you. You might have good reason to believe so and it’s fine.
But there are people out there who believe the opposite and they have their reasons too.

I don’t care what you think yourself, I only care about what IMC thinks of all those bad rumours and complaints surrounding the enhancement system. And hopefully they’ll address them while you’ll keep foaming and screaming “troll!” at everyone.

STAFF team usually means here on forums: forum staff + GMs.
Support team usually means: people who answer support tickets.

Sorry but we need to share the right meaning of terms, either we’re going to spread misinformation or argue indefinitely without understanding each other.

It’s not that hard to make your claim explicit. But sometimes people wants it to be ambiguous :woman_shrugging:

I just doubt it and won’t believe the very same person is shouting multiple +16 weapons with no potential loss over days.

Is it on market by now?

Yeah. I agree. On lack of proof:

When we have no evidence to resolve the proposition, we may suspend judgment.

The only problem is that people are actually trying to claim and judge based on their opinion. I already offered it but I got ignored by the guy (@Memester) who “isn’t a troll but acts like one”.

Believing is something. We all can believe in anything.

In the moment you want to push what you believe into others though, you may be asked to give proof.

If you have no proof… maybe you’re just trying to spread misinformation or not, who knows if it’s even intentional :woman_shrugging:

But they already addressed the bad rumors and fixed the exploits related to enhancement back near July, 2016 - 2 years ago.

No, those items aren’t on market right now (and well, given how much a +16 item with no potential loss would cost on market, it’s understandable it isn’t sold there to begin with; a trade with blessed shards and/or 350 recipes is much more profitable in that regard, due to the fees involved).

The guy above just explained you the situation in simple English

Still, it’s not like there is much to discuss to begin with. You keep saying everything works fine, whereas other people cannot agree. We don’t have proofs of exploits, and you don’t have any proof of lack of exploits either.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

What is even wrong with you. Pushing what you believe onto others by calling them liars and trolls is what you do even though it’s all about what I quoted above.

Agreed. No way to have proof that the shouts actually happened nor that the weapons exists for now then lol

Actually, what is wrong with? I actually agreed to disagree:

Why did you completely ignore it?


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@Don_Falce I’ll try to find more people from Fedi to confirm if that actually happened and with who and try to see if I can get more info.

Sorry, I’ve been forgetting what I said back in this thread:

Same applies for the other way around of not believing in you. My bad.

I’ll try to get info, if there’s suspect stuff I’ll try to find what and try to PM staffs and/or figure something out if I can.

Also, any info you can share about this or where (who) should I pay attention to in shouts/online/etc?

Because not only it’s obvious but it’s also hardly on-topic. It only works when you blatantly accuse someone of hacking his anvils. But hackusing particular players isn’t the topic of this thread. It’s just bitching about enhancement and exploits.

Why? You just failed to understand what I wrote.

Here, simpler:
You claim that anvil exploits can exists.
I claim that they can’t exist.

We both have our reasoning.

I’m a programmer so I can know how easy it is to save weapon state right after the anvil is destroyed so you can’t manipulate enhancement results.

But also because I’m a programmer I know that since we’re not with the code at hand to look at it we can’t prove it can exist or not.

We can either agree to disagree and not judge the situation or continue arguing without getting anywhere.

less weapon quality = more chance to success
BUT
If u have a cool ping you have a high chance to get +16 and more.
still w/o bug

some ppl have soo much jealous when see these items
its almost normally blame some ppl when you just saw

but remember, exists a large number of pepole that keep working hard to do this

soo, take it easy on them.

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Tiran is just a stupid rmtr that doesn’t even try to hide it. With infinite silver everything is possible.

He has a ton of +16/+17, even a +25 one. Saw them with my own eyes. :tired:

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Not full potential on each one right? .-. (If so it makes sense lol)

It’s not really less weapon quality = more chance.

It’s something like, less weapon quality = less fear/insecure. So you actually risk more.

Kind of a low risk/high reward logic, especially when you can just get another weapon to keep trying or try both together because low quality weapon is also more common >_<

Intellectual integrity at its finest

rightonpoint

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It’s not out of context.
I hope you don’t need me to explain why.

It looks like a claimed argument to me (based on a fact that you brought here), and it’s not that transparent, it’s biased.
I will pick an example before you start one of your wall of text, what if someone came in the discussion and says this :

“Many old players that logs every day confirms that most of the ++20 weapons aren’t legit, prolly cause of an unknow exploit”

What would be you reaction ?

One of the many things you ask people to respect, in 99% of your interventions on different subjects.

The point is, even if the 2 quotes i picked from you aren’t in the same response, or even on the same particular point, you ask in the second quote to stay clear on arguments and claims while a few participations before you just use one of those biased argument that you chase on every single intervention.

But i will stay completely wrong in your mind because, even if it’s obvious, you’ll never admit that your first statement is biased :slight_smile:

Oh and btw, i don’t want to trigger you but :

That’s pretty rude sweetie :disappointed_relieved:

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Sure, here:

Here, not even from my server, inclusive, someone I used to argue with in the past:

Here:

Here, probably:

Here:

Here:

Here:

I think this is enough since people gets notified by the linked posts.

I made sure to pick posts from people mostly from other servers or that I almost never talk to in case they’re from Klaipeda. You can ask 1 by 1 if you need more proof than this. The account creation date on forum profile as well the date of post can give you the information that those players are old, as well the age of the topics they posted on.

Is this transparent enough now?

Again, I can say that many old players confirms that the exploit people keep talking about is highly unlikely to exist.

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Actually there is a new exploit but you have to buy the lifetime package for hook64 but Sorien changed his policy with how you can connect to his discord.

He vets everyone before they can even last 10mins.

And no I’m not going to spend a few hundred dollars to prove my point.

They did that bacause they got reported to discord team, their discord got deleted 2 times and his main account banned from discord on the second time.

Here:
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They didn’t:
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You don’t need to prove your point because it’s a false claim.

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