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How to Gear +23?

Not full potential on each one right? .-. (If so it makes sense lol)

It’s not really less weapon quality = more chance.

It’s something like, less weapon quality = less fear/insecure. So you actually risk more.

Kind of a low risk/high reward logic, especially when you can just get another weapon to keep trying or try both together because low quality weapon is also more common >_<

Intellectual integrity at its finest

rightonpoint

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It’s not out of context.
I hope you don’t need me to explain why.

It looks like a claimed argument to me (based on a fact that you brought here), and it’s not that transparent, it’s biased.
I will pick an example before you start one of your wall of text, what if someone came in the discussion and says this :

“Many old players that logs every day confirms that most of the ++20 weapons aren’t legit, prolly cause of an unknow exploit”

What would be you reaction ?

One of the many things you ask people to respect, in 99% of your interventions on different subjects.

The point is, even if the 2 quotes i picked from you aren’t in the same response, or even on the same particular point, you ask in the second quote to stay clear on arguments and claims while a few participations before you just use one of those biased argument that you chase on every single intervention.

But i will stay completely wrong in your mind because, even if it’s obvious, you’ll never admit that your first statement is biased :slight_smile:

Oh and btw, i don’t want to trigger you but :

That’s pretty rude sweetie :disappointed_relieved:

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Sure, here:

Here, not even from my server, inclusive, someone I used to argue with in the past:

Here:

Here, probably:

Here:

Here:

Here:

I think this is enough since people gets notified by the linked posts.

I made sure to pick posts from people mostly from other servers or that I almost never talk to in case they’re from Klaipeda. You can ask 1 by 1 if you need more proof than this. The account creation date on forum profile as well the date of post can give you the information that those players are old, as well the age of the topics they posted on.

Is this transparent enough now?

Again, I can say that many old players confirms that the exploit people keep talking about is highly unlikely to exist.

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Actually there is a new exploit but you have to buy the lifetime package for hook64 but Sorien changed his policy with how you can connect to his discord.

He vets everyone before they can even last 10mins.

And no I’m not going to spend a few hundred dollars to prove my point.

They did that bacause they got reported to discord team, their discord got deleted 2 times and his main account banned from discord on the second time.

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They didn’t:
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You don’t need to prove your point because it’s a false claim.

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The fully transparent claimed statement that you stand against people thinking that the exploit exist today is based on other people saying that all those weapons are the result of “pure luck”, “money” and “the diamond anvil event”.

So, if i understand correctly, your statement, supported by those testimonies, is right, and people who claims the opposite are wrong. Basically, the people thinking like you are swimming in the truth while the others are drowning in the abyss lake of ignorance and untruth.

Is that it ?

Nope, read again.

Like I said, 4 of those 7 posts explicitly answers with explicit words saying that the enhancement exploit people keeps talking about doesn’t exist.

Then 3 of those answers to “is this exploit or not” by explaining why it isn’t exploit.

I feel they’re valid enough. You can exclude the 3 if you want. I feel the amount I provided with explicit comments is already enough to show that my sentence can be valid.


Also, please, don’t change my argument.

I say that many old players confirms that the exploit people keep talking about is highly unlikely to exist. And only that.

Any other piece you add to your answer as a fallacy or anything else have nothing to do with me.


I answered your question now.

To keep discussing further, now I ask, may you answer mine?

I want you to prove your 99%, based on the interventions that are part my 2.4k posts created, one by one, displaying proof for each one, thanks.

Can you do it so we can continue our discussion?

I already provided the needed sources to confirm my claim, now you should do the same for yours.

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You don’t get the point.

People claims fact 1, while other people claims fact 2.
You’re agree with the fact 1, and, during your argument, you make use of people claiming the fact 1 in order to support your statement. Statement which is supposed to be transparent since you never ever use fallacious idea to support your point.

I react to this, after reading you asking someone to stay transparent.

Your answer, basically, is that fact 1 is true and fact 2 isn’t, and so, your statement and argument are legit.

I disagree with that, plain and simple. Being subjective about which fact is true, and use it as an argument doesn’t make it transparent.

To stay clear and help you understand, i think this exploit doesn’t exist anymore, but i have some high supicions about possible other type of exploit on weapon upgrade. That is my opinion, but since you re misreading my point about your contradictions, i felt the need to clarify.

Oh, you’re not one not getting the point.

I’m not using fact 1 against fact 2.

Since you’re going read all my 2400 posts to prove your 99% you’ll eventually understand that.

And my opinion is that after fixing the channel crash issue by saving the weapon state right after it’s enhanced prevents you from being able to manipulate the result of an enhancement.

I’m not going to go deeper into this argument here.

Once you read all my posts you’ll also find more about why I think this way.

Then maybe we can simply agree to disagree and suspend judging this topic until we can prove either of the sides.


So, like I said, I’ll only continue this discussion after you answer my question since I answered yours.

I want you to prove your 99%, based on the interventions that are part my 2.4k posts created, one by one, displaying proof for each one, thanks.

Can you do it so we can continue our discussion?

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Oh i see, you got triggered.

Using the 99% as an anti trigger system since you dont want to legitimately see that i was talking about your tendancy to ask people to stay transparent with facts and proof. Can you say that i’m wrong by saying that in your differents argumentations, on different forum subjects, you tend to do that ? Is it bad to ask that to people ?
I think we agree that this isn’t bad.

But since i read in the same post that you ask someone to act like this, while a few responses before you just used a biased statement, i pointed that out.

Is it that hard for you to admint that, at some point, you may be not in the truth ?
Is it that hard for you to accept your mistake ?

Nope, I didn’t. Sorry to not match your expectations.

That doesn’t matter.

If I’m asking you to prove your point it means I’m not going to support your argument nor contest it until proof is presented.

You claimed it on your own free will. By such I ask you to either prove it otherwise I can take that you’re lying.

Or you can just go back with what you said and apologize.

I don’t mind either way.

I just want to have a fair discussion, you asked me to bring source and prove my claim - I did that.

I now ask you the same, to bring source and prove your claim:

I want you to prove your 99%, based on the interventions that are part my 2.4k posts created, one by one, displaying proof for each one, thanks.

Can you do it so we can continue our discussion?

Once you read all my 2400 posts you’ll understand more about me and I probably won’t need to explain what you asked. As for if I do need to explain we’ll only know after you finish reading all of those.

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Since you’re starting to be rude, i’ll be a bit more bitter.

I don’t want to offend you, but i feel that from the top of your godwin point mountain you acutally enjoy being condescendent to people and despise them :

Through different post i read from you, i feel like you want people to come back to the game, and not leave it. It’s a good thing, but you unintentionally do the exact opposite. You may not get it, but you’re actually taking people away from the game by your own, at your own level of influence of course, a few players, i mean nothing to compare with the people leaving because of the horrible imc politic about this game. But still, i am sure you do make people go away just by your tendancy to talk to people with despise and haughtiness.
I hope, for the better of the game, you will somehow realise that.

I won’t read your 2400 post, i think that the people who read the discusssion we had have their own opinion by now, on who used fallacious process.

Cheers.

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Can I borrow your words?

Don’t worry. I’ll just repeat myself:

It’s intended. It’s a great tool to use against trolls, they reap what they sow, people simply uses different tools for their goals.

Yeah, I take you don’t want to have a fair discussion where both of us gives proofs to our claims.

Here we’re done then, have a nice day c:

And remember, anvil exploits related to channel crashes were fixed in 2016, 2 years ago, in an actually very far away past.

Ive seen at least a +17 untradable black horn and a +16 primus rifle with both full potential in just this week. Not to mention his +25 staff (dont remember pot) ofc.

:tired:

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Both untradable items with full potential. Tons of item 350 primus to sell with at least +16 full pot.

Just for our Rabbit:

It is not that you can’t see something that this thing doesn’t exist.

When you see half of the town full of characters with +16 weapons/shield/armor without pot loss, this something feels real :stuck_out_tongue:

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We need proof, screens and stuff, nobody can’t rely simply on your testimony.

Or else you’re just another troll.

That’s why I was asking the guy earlier if they could give some info.

This is actually reason enough to gather data and make a good report to STAFFs.

Do you have any more info or screenshots I can try looking at or any info when to log in/etc so I can check and get info to report? (Or you actually report.)

Currently I stopped looking much at it after this:

Since reporting for RMT won’t do much.

But could you share anything that can help me actually check this so we can gather data and ask if STAFFs can check for suspicious things?

I’m sure they can find if there’s something once we actually can gather info.