Dex stat is too good and game breaking

RuneKnight · November 4, 2015, 1:18pm

Hello IMC Team, I’m not sure if you even read the topics here.
I think (It’s actually a fact) that DEX is way too strong, why?

Nearly everyone about lv 100+ is going for full DEX builds, even if they aren’t archer classes.

The stat is ridiculous, it’s like Agi,Luck and Dex in one stat, I don’t want to say that STR is useless but you really really don’t need it. You should split DEX in 2 or 3 stats. You wanted variety builds and classes in this game, but with DEX, it will be pretty unilaterally.

Me for example, I played Hoplite C2 Cataphract C1 and I was like “hm I don’t understand why people think Swordsmen are OP”

Then I reset my stats and went full DEX… It’s ridiculous, everything is so easy now.
I dodge everything.
I deal more damage.
I hit everything without any problems.
I crit nearly 100% of the time.
ALL this in one single status: DEX.

Why STR,SPR,INT or CON? it’s not needed outside of PvP?
Split DEX in at least 2 stats. Evasion,Crit and Hit in one stat is way too strong and unhealthy.

Please do something, IMC.

alexbc29 · November 4, 2015, 1:18pm

They should put the bonus status based on the class…

Edward_Teach · November 4, 2015, 1:23pm

I beg to differ STR CON is Equally as beast.

You need some con , additionally dex builds need STR for Crit Attack.
I had 150 dex at mage tower and I would get hit for days since a lot of mobs have perfect attacks.

PrinceMark · November 4, 2015, 1:25pm

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zelpex · November 4, 2015, 1:23pm

DEX is really not that strong lol.
It has been calculated that STR will result for more damage when playing a anything but Highlander due the 2h passive.
Also mobs do hit you too because I am playing a full DEX sadhu with a 50% evasion buff while being out of body and I still get hit all the time…
I would say DEX needs a buff because it has been nerfed so hard already.

krisalfin_njam · November 4, 2015, 1:25pm

i agree that dex is good, but dex build need good weapon to compliment with it.
if your weapon suck, then your attack suck too.
basically combination of dex and str is better.
and on top of that, evasion got nerved pretty bad.
i am level 153 archer tree class, with evasion 570 on stats, still get hit like 30% of all attacks i receive.
so you better observer before you make comment. thanks bud.
dex does not increase your attack damage !

alexbc29 · November 4, 2015, 1:25pm

I dont think so…
http://forum.tosbase.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1680&p=12266

Eleriath · November 4, 2015, 1:27pm

yeah, dex does incresas dmg. not in every lvl but I can tell you it does.

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rofldat · November 4, 2015, 1:28pm

Dex have already been nerfed before.

And this might blow your mind, but Wizs don’t go Dex, since magic can’t crit.

Archers also (at least for kr) don’t bother with Dex, their skills are on such low cooldown that getting more SPR to sustain their spam is better. Evasion is less valuable since they’re a RANGE class, there’s this thing called moving away from attack manually, and for PvE the hit rate from level/glove (even the almighty vubbe) alone is enough.

Magic type Cleric also doesn’t focus on Dex.

So…yeah, only swordsman, who’s melee and is purely physical damage, really love Dex.
That said it’s not like CON doesn’t have its place.
250 point into CON would gives 20k HP, that much more p.def and HP regen.
Compare to a full Dex build, you’ve more than triple your HP pool, HP regen, and take insanely low damage from any hit you do take. For world boss that I’ve seen one-shotting those CON-less squishies, having that huge safety net in case you fail to run out of AoE is great (also you regen higher so any mistake you make recovers faster)

Remember that grinding is about sustaining it, not shoot a few load and you have to sit down again. Dex can certainly kill things faster when it crit, but sometimes you don’t need the crit, you just need about 100-200 more damage on your skill, and in that case having said 100-200 Str would lets you kill the enemy 100% of the time, instead of Crit route’s chance to not crit.

krisalfin_njam · November 4, 2015, 1:32pm

@Eleriath no it does not directly affect your damage output.
like i told you, as your base weapon get better, your damage output with dex will get better.
so yes, dex affect your damage but not directly.
keep that in mind

alexbc29 · November 4, 2015, 1:33pm

the topic says that early levels STR builds are far better BUT on later level DEX becomes god like Atrib since it ill give more damage and dodge like a ghost…

Daikuza · November 4, 2015, 1:35pm

Then your weapon is just bad or you’re at low level…
If you have a good weapon, you don’t need much str.
The stat system in this game is a bit underwhelming.

krisalfin_njam · November 4, 2015, 1:36pm

i don’t know why people are exaggerating about evasion.
to be honest, the evasion now compare to before nerf is insanely low.
get to level 140+ and you will see the difference.
mobs will hit you like 1k+

VermillionTwilight · November 4, 2015, 1:40pm

Honestly, SPR should be merged with INT, and DEX split into DEX and AGI. With critical rate being boosted only by skills, enhancements and your own equipment.

krisalfin_njam · November 4, 2015, 1:47pm

@VermillionTwilight my 263 crit rate does not guarantee me getting a crit and you want to erase it and put it into sub stats of weapon? you must be joking mate
i can say with that amount of crit rate ill get 80% actual crit rate.

Eleriath · November 4, 2015, 1:55pm

I mean, i can swear I saw when i clicked to add 1 DEX, that at least 5 stats or 6 were green (the one that improves) and it was Physical attack. but the following lvl only evasion acuracy and critial rate where green.

I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I saw that. and again not in every lvl.

Now, im 100% agree on what you say, wpn is the important thing specially for DEX. If we can’t get a good weapon then no matter the crit, our dmg will be low.

kill5link · November 4, 2015, 2:08pm

From lvl100 upwards magic-user monsters will be much more common.
Especially the ones with homing missiles that you can’t dodge get extremely dangerous.

Your Evasion ain’t worth anything there.

Also, why would you go full Dex with Hoplite C2? Didn’t you skill into Finestra?

Daikuza · November 4, 2015, 9:58pm

My friend has a level 180+ Barbarian with 20STR and all the other stats into DEX and he is fine, he destroys everything and rarely dies, he never played in a party.

Before that he was STR/CON and compared to the DEX build, he was like a little baby.
People under level 120+ don’t even know what OP means, because they think they can “join the conversation” but they don’t understand that higher level weapons are so good that you don’t even “feel” your 100STR, it’s like nothing, really…
Sure, you do more crit damage but a DEX build will always outdamage you by far. You can easily dodge all the Magic Attacks from bosses because they are so slow.

Early game: STR>DEX
Mid - late game: DEX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>STR

I’d say split DEX into: DEX (Hit+Evasion) and Luck (Critical Rate+Minimum Physical Attack).
and put a stat-cap into this game, seriously.

RuneKnight · November 4, 2015, 10:06pm

omg tell me what is your max level? you are ridiculous if you want DEX buffed, if anything it needs to split in 2 stats because it’s so good, you don’t understand the game atm then.