Circle reset NEEDED for game to survive!

[Kaylee]

Lol you should read a post before u answer^^ I just wrote that it is not possible to change a job in RL without another training. If a player looses all his class xps after redoing a circle it is fine with me, but way to go with a 280 char without an appropriate class lvl.

Yeah, actually i would reroll, I don’t care about it, had to do the same thing while playind D2. That is one of those things I love most about old school games, you take a wrong turn you can try to fix it or start over. You don’t get a lollypop and a pet on the head everytime something goes wrong for you. You have to consider your choices bacause they are final.

[Vanel]

in truth it is useless or is it just because others say ?, if you have fun with your class you chose no problem, if not start again
the core of a MMORPG is leveling up if you do not like leveling up, then why you play a MMORPG ? because I do not want TOS become a MOBA

[potonho]

it is funny people using real life as comparison for a game that should aim to be fun. Anyway, it is a good ideia to have some kind of circle reset, as some of you already exposed, the way it is now it will decrease player pop when they find a build they are making is not worth their time. it should be at least easier than leveling up from scratch.

Some friend already quitted for this reason.

[silverguy]

not really… if i have high level swordsman… i dont mind to level another cleric or wizard for fun… but i have problem watching 3 swordsman, 2 wizard 4 cleric in team lodge… lol imagine that.

[corbray]

The fact that it is not possible to change classes is a fact I really love about this game. It makes people more considerate when they choose their classes, so I really hope they will never implement an option to do so.

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Well, i think my reading is fine. And i agree with your point about the training. I don’t want things to be EASY, just to be fair.

You have to consider your choices bacause they are final.

Well, i don’t agree with this. This game is FAR from being finished. Just look at all the posts about the classes balance. IF this game was already fullly released, and only being polished, your point would be VALID.

I don’t care about leveling alts, believe me. I already have 1 archer 200+, 2 swordsman 100+ and 1 wizard 100+.

This game is aimed at 500+ levels. If I make a mistake at rank 9, for example. should I just reroll? There are plenty of classes with bad descriptions that leads people to mistakes. This game won’t survive long, if it forces people to reroll on a game full of grindfest until lvl 500+.

[corbray]

Nowadays, it’s the truth. Take a look at this post.

*** Swordsman Classes Need to be Fixed *** [IMC, are you looking at this?]

I've grouped up a bunch of threads ... and there are MANY threads. Swordies, fair warning to you ... Be sure to pick up Pelta (C1) if you want to be invited in a party. Otherwise, you're going to be soloing from level 200-220+ ... Swordsman DPS is garbage. We're squishy even with upgraded gear +. If you want to DPS, go Archer or Wizard ... Heck, even Priest can out DPS your puny little numbers. Here is proof: (look at how weak the damage is on normal mobs, and he has to pop …

This game’s endgame is focused on party play, if you are excluded from it, how can you have fun? Not everyone has plenty of friends to play with…

I always enjoyed leveling, but not like this.

[Akira.Yatsu]

Lol What the shiiiiet?

This is SO hillarious.

Welcome to REAL MMORPGS kid! xD

[Vanel]

There are videos on youtube of corsair DPS being OP

[acetatsujin]

That’s level 170-180 Hex attacks. That’s still garbage past level 200+ mobs, especially 210-220 and beyond.

[eduhmello]

Because this statement means " I made an awesome build that i want just for myself, so I can be awesome alone", which means that you think that build is going to be good forever, or at least for a good amount of time enough for you be be some kind of badass.

Of course, I can’t say the same for everyone, but as the guy replied, he really made a good build, and is being very sucessful in the game, also he said that he’s ok with making another character, but that’s his case,so yeah he’s an exception to my sentence, but a MMO is supposed to be fun for a lot of people not a small group,that is the same case with the PK system or HARDCORE mode that a lot of people disagree.

Most people don’t want to replay the game, or don’t want to pay for a game, and wait 2/3 weeks to start playing because they need to careful craft a build first, and sometimes make a mistake anyway, even more for a game that has a lot of bots with less than one month released.

[eduhmello]

Even though I’m one of those that agree with reset, i see your point and I like the build crafting in the game too.

But the thing is, corsair and dragoon do the same thing (dps swordman) then I decide for hoplite>dragoon, then i get to dragoon and discover it’s utterly garbage,for you that like the class, it’s okay, but for someone that just wanted an dps swordman, they just wasted tons of time. What should they have done? waited for months till someone make a video review of the classes so he finally decides what’s better? Tree of savior website gives zero info about classes, tosbase give some info, but not even close of being enough for making a real good choice.

[eduhmello]

yeah, but ragnarok would give tons of info about skills, and classes, tos info isn’t as useful,
second ragnarok was done 15 years ago, when the MMORPG scenario was very diferent,
third it was a very wide open game, with different routes for classes, a fire wizard would level up near prontera/al de baran, an ice wizard around morroc, and a thunder wizard in byalan, and thats for a single class, with the same goal of being the same 2 class, if it wanted to be an sage, then it would have another strategy.

[Gringe]

Because this statement means " I made an awesome build that i want just for myself, so I can be awesome alone", which means that you think that build is going to be good forever, or at least for a good amount of time enough for you be be some kind of badass.

Lol so he spends a long time planning his build and makes one different than everyone else that works. So hes playing the game like its supposed to be played.

You just sound jealous lol. I dont know any other word to put it. You feel like you should be able to reset and copy his build. Because you dont want anyone to be different? I dont know why really. You could always level another character and make it exactly the same if you really wanted.

Of course, I can’t say the same for everyone, but as the guy replied, he really made a good build, and is being very sucessful in the game, also he said that he’s ok with making another character, but that’s his case,so yeah he’s an exception to my sentence

So the guy you made the statement to is an exception to the statement…

Most people don’t want to replay the game, or don’t want to pay for a game, and wait 2/3 weeks to start playing because they need to careful craft a build first

This is almost the worst reasoning i ever heard.

If they want everything to be easy and lower the learning curve, they should just go to another game. There are plenty of games like that. With resets all you desire and characters with no identity. Just like you want.

[Moonspring]

but ragnarok would give tons of info about skills, and classes,

Skills were only visible when you were that class, at first.
In fact, the game didnt even tell you where you had to go to change classes. And your class quests didnt tell you where to get the items needed either.

All of that information that was available, was made available through the effort of players like you and me.

[LordsOfSkulls]

I still think you should reroll…

From the start of MMOs people had ALTS for a reason… to try something different, or to fix mistakes they made on there first character. Some people are good at making first character. Alot people suck at it and make a alt…

Heck i did it within first week… my alt became my main… i leveled my Wizard to 100 didnt like the game style…

got to 100 on my Archer in under 2 days… and still loving my class/build. Started to have more fun.

This is reason i kinda wish they dont have reroll class scrolls cause… it forces people to try something new. Also put some muscle memory into it without just copying the top 3-5 builds in each catagory and everyone calls you crappy player cause u dont have that build.

[chiauzkc]

Everyone will be a Pyro3. Ranger3. Krivis3 until Rank7.

[Addendum]

I actually really like this idea.

[corbray]

Restrictions would be made to prevent this kind of abuse you’re mentioning.

Players wouldn’t be able to change circles like they change their clothes.

[p4ndag0d]

While I agree with you some combinations of skills/classes are completely impossible to find. Show me a C3 QS/C3 Wugushi video prior to ITos or even now. Can I use running shot while mounted? I’ve seen conflicting information on that topic 3 times today alone.

There is nothing wrong with a balanced, one more time, “BALANCED” circle reset option. Maybe 1 circle at a time and it resets to lvl 1 or only 3 per character. For the people whining “No Senpai,he’ll rerolll OP Dragoon!” let him spend the $45 or whatever or 3 circle reset scrolls because he is impatient. That is basically the same as complaining about xp scrolls (not touching that one)

Balanced (figure it out) circle reset plz since actual gameplay experiences may vary.

[deathbaipanda]

Or… y’know, people can grow a brain and do research before plunging head first into water. Plus this game is catered to us, the original RO players, so there’s a level of understanding of not to fool around with your build, unless you intend to reroll. Just like Dark Souls is catered to those hardcore players that played titles like Demon Souls and Monster Hunter.