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#247

Oh Darling~ I do not give a flying **** or two about your level.

OH I SEE HOW IT IS. Darling, I’m lv 149, Paladin right now, with nearly 1000 exp cards not yet used because grinding is better logic than getting stuck in high level deadzones. Also I’m not a hardcore player. nowhere in my posts did I say that, stop being delusional, son. I said that’s what REAL DECENT gamers do. You probably just act without thinking for you to warrant the need of a circle reset. geez.

I’ve played on iCBT1 and iCBT2 to know enough about tree of savior :joy:
I’ve mained a Fletcher, an Alchemist (and a very popular one too) both at cap 200. I also know very well how the experience system works. Do a background check before you make yourself sound like an idiot.

You must be one of those hotshot guys who popped their cards the moment they got them and got stuck slowly levelling past 200 :joy:

Do not challenge me and my knowledge of WHAT I know in game, as compared to some idiot like you who just joined last April 9, 2016. :joy:

PS you’re the one who started insults. I see you’re fond of insulting people who disagree with you and AUTOMATICALLY calling them “Selfish”

you must live such a crappy life. tsk.

PPS one month old player who rushed his way to high level and probably does nothing except play all day thinks he already knows everything about the game. Spewing terms like CORE roles, ENDGAME roles, and HYBRID roles as if he knows them well enough and has played the game enough to know.

PPPS if you did know all about those, you shouldnt be demanding for a circle reset, hun.

#248

Rerolls are good for the game longevity. They make low level zones constantly relevant.

This game is all about progression and currency sinks.

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#249

http://i.imgur.com/VpWB7VN.jpg Gabija server, darling.

oh and if you’re THAT homophobic, I’m a girl btw :yum:

#250

149, oh dear. And wow, have played CBT1 and CBT2, no wonder you are so selfish and so biased against circle reset. You think you’re way above everyone else and you don’t want to give everyone the chance to be equal to you.

And funnily enough all you talked about are midgame content. Exp cards usage? Leveling? How funny. What would that do when everyone’s at max level? What would that do when you start taking on content like Earth Tower? Nothing, that’s what. And anyone with half a brain would be aware of grind walls and exp card saving since there are guides everywhere for it. It’s laughable that you consider that as considerable in-game knowledge.

And yes, I apologize for calling people selfish, I suppose I couldn’t find a less offensive word to replace the idea that a circle reset has, in no way, the chance to affect another player’s gameplay who simply wish to not want to use it. The thing is, what else do those who don’t want circle resets could say that understandably can provide a reasonable explanation as to why a circle reset SHOULD not exist? Besides things about “it’s how the game works” or “i like it the hard way” and whatnot.

It’s easy to know things by researching the game. But I can’t really say the same for other players who think researching can be quite a chore.

You must live a crappy life to be so easily riled up by the internet. :joy:

And you seem so offended. I’m so sorry that I rustled your jimmies and you couldn’t handle it. Don’t need to be so butthurt about it. :wink:

#251

Yes, because being a girl has anything to do with our argument. That doesn’t make you any less immature than you already look.

And I have not said anything homophobic, where the hell did that come from? Next time try to find something else to pull out of your a.ss.

#252

Oh darling, nobody is butthurt and as desperate to here as you are. trust me. so get your head out of your ass and go back to being the “best gril gamer hardcore player” who refuses to do research so wants a circle reset player you are.

Woah, insulting me based on what I said? that’s new. I’m not going to be rash like you :stuck_out_tongue: I have my own way of playing this game, and that’s what I said by my logic, but hey it seems like everybody else’s logic that disagrees with you is wrong. My exp cards will help me, im not sure why they wont /throws them at you/ pfft

Ive used my exp cards to cross the walls if thats what you’re saying geez. and really?

you only join the forums when you finally need to complain? doubt it. :stuck_out_tongue:

me: states a fact that ive played icbt1 and icbt2
mr not so nice ass guy: uses that against me cause WOW IM HIGH AND MIGHTY.

totally.

yes, but you called me a hotshot guy, mr homophobes. look at what you type, dumbas* :stuck_out_tongue:

I guess it’s no point arguing over some selfish idiot who thinks the rest of the world is selfish if it’s against his opinion, SUBJECTIVELY speaking. time to block the cock. :yum:

         

#253

The lodge xp system grants all characters more xp, therefore it supports gaining levels. Circle reset bypasses needing to gain those level. The lodge xp system supports having multiple character. Circle reset supports only 1. I could go on, but on to the next point.

Ah, but you see, I didn’t actually say that. You came to that conclusion yourself and assumed that is what I meant (that is what I mean by “safe” btw). You saying I said is you “putting words in my mouth”.

You quote this again, but nowhere there does it say “the lodge xp system is for rerolling”.

For your benefit, let’s put it into ToS’s context since you expressed difficulty in understanding such a simple generic statement.

Why would “IMC” create a “a circle reset system to bypass gaining levels” that is in direct conflict with “a lodge xp system that promotes gaining levels” that is already has?

As for debunking nothing.
You claimed that the lodge xp system is NOT for rerolling, but rather to encourage players to create alternative characters.

I called you out on that for simply making an assumption because you do not work for IMC (or have refused to prove you are an employee).

Later I go on to say

The “debunking” happened here, when you said

Since you agree that the lodge xp system is for building characters (not limited to mains, alts, and others).

So to recap
You: Lodge system is not for rerolling, but for making other characters.
Me: That is wrong. Prove your employment under IMC to validate that statement. Making other characters includes rerolling.
You: Making other characters includes rerolling.

Conclusion: Since the lodge is for making other characters, and making other characters includes rerolling, then the statement “lodge system is not for rerolling” is false.

#254

Oh yes, because assuming someone is a guy is homophobic. It’s like I can see you all the way from where you are and determine your gender when I make replies…

And again talking about exp cards like it’ll be relevant at endgame, how nice and knowledgeable. Good for you! slowclaps I’m sure those exp cards will help you a lot in the future when you’re max level!

So you came to insult me as well so I can’t insult you back? Well that’s weird, I thought that’s how this argument was supposed to work.

Hotshot can also apply to girls. Didn’t you know that? Also the word guy can be gender neutral depending on context and it’s common in American English to be referred as gender neutral. Now let me tell you, where in your posts did you say you were a girl right before you revealed it after? And let me ask, what does being a girl have to do with anything in our argument? That’s very sad, you must love to wave your gender around like it’s a weapon.

There is also no point in arguing with a selfish idiot who thinks only about herself just so she can get ahead over others. Your massive superiority complex is alarming, maybe you should consider seeking help?

Wall of text is the name of my game, if you don’t read then no use for you to argue. :stuck_out_tongue:

#255

bruh you’re the one who clearly needs help in this forums. Worst of what I’ve met so far, only complains and seeks more ways to conveniently play.

it’s sad that you have to assume everybody on the net is a guy. :c sadly.

I don’t use gender as a weapon, but yes you called me a “hotshot guy” do i even need to quote it, you dumba**, stop derailing, I was just correcting you for calling me that. I’m not offended at all. but ugh whats the point arguing with somebody as dumb as you.

by all means, have a nice life. after all IMC won’t be granting that circle reset anyways.

And my opinion against it isnt about superiority, it’s just game changing in a way that it’s convenient for everybody to just follow what’s already a known functional and effective build. because apparently, that part isn’t obvious to somebody as narrow minded as you >_>

#256

Here’s a better recap.

You:

Me:

You:

Me:

And then you start arguing about semantics.

See, you’ve already initalized it with a firm juxtaposition where exp lodge = re-rolling purposes due to your own experience. Yet here I was, trying to share it shouldn’t be for re-rolling. Of course, my mistake that it should be both for re-rolling and alternate character use as well, but too late to fix that now, but that was my initial viewpoint.

Conclusion: We both think exp lodge does something. Doesn’t mean we both have answers for its real purpose in the game. However I played my proof that the system is similar to systems of other MMORPG’s. But you only argued about semantics so far.

#257

What a big hypocrite, you derailed this thread the moment you started flaunting your gender.

Here’s I’ll google the definition for you because you seem so worked up about the term “hotshot” that you’re completely derailing the topic because of it.

Guy is debatable but even then it has tendencies to be gender neutral (i.e. “You guys, you shouldn’t have! Thank you so much,” on a bunch of friends with different genders that gave you gifts or something).

But anyways, thanks for proving that you use your gender as a weapon by mentioning it in the first place, completely derailing the topic we’re arguing about. Yay. Deny all you want, but there’s nothing changing it. Just remember that you look ridiculous to other girls for even doing so.

And take note that this is a suggestion. I’m not saying that circle reset should happen, but it does provide benefits from both players and IMC alike, while clearly disappointing the select few elitists who don’t even know how to tell the difference between P2W and P4Convenience .There’s a difference there, look it up.

Also, to note, by suggesting everyone just follows a functional and effective build, what else would other classes be for? Just for display, knowing that there are a lot of things that are better than them? You are killing class variety if that should be a norm. A controlled circle reset would at least fix that, and even allow players with the money test builds, especially when more ranks are introduced.

How about you start suggesting to the developers to start changing their current game design and ease up on unorthodox builds, letting them have an equal opportunity to challenge the same endgame content like the mainstream builds have? Because as of now, the only way you can have it your way and not need a circle reset is if these characters that people have made can still be effective at endgame content.

See, it’s about superiority. Showing off your adventure ranking? Telling me about your amount of exp cards (which doesn’t make sense when talking about endgame content at all?)? Telling yourself that you’re a beta tester and know a lot more things than I do? That screams bragging and utter desire for superiority.

And that superiority is the main flaw of your argument against circle reset. You just won’t simply admit that you don’t want anyone else to copy your perfected builds; this screams selfishness on your side. Even then, how would existing players even copy your build if the circle reset is controlled or partial? There will be no stat reset available after the founder’s packs are removed from the store, so no one can follow yours, or other people’s stats.

#258

Blah blah blah, Don’t go on assuming people’s genders until you’ve asked or theyve told. How is that a weapon. I am just correcting you. You’re so fixated on weapons. You probably enjoy blunt weapons down there. :joy:

No need to blow it up into an issue. Tsk.

You were so insecure that you had to call me out and ask me my level and tell me I know nothing. and now that I’ve shared about my background, you proceed to call me superior or whatever. You just can’t accept it coming from somebody who’s played a hell lot more. pfft. This is really sad~

Selfish? I’m selfish that I do not want every player and their mom to be a musketteer the next day and nobody else is playing anything else. Talk about the person who probably wants a Circle reset for the exact same thing.

I’m saying is that through learning and research, people will be encouraged to find out more builds that work, rather than resetting to the already existing ones. Because what’s the point right? you can just conveniently reset any time you want. People can still copy builds regardless, just make a new character from scratch. But having a Circle Reset available encourages everybody to just get lazy >_>

#259

Oh irony at its best, you think being a girl will be a free pass to your ridiculously childish antics. It’s entertaining to look at people like you and wreck yourselves. Arguing about the term hotshot guy which is just a small phrase that doesn’t even matter in our argument… It’s really sad to see someone so sensitive and insecure fall into a pit of despair from just a small statement.

And yes, we are both selfish in some term, but at least I think about the benefits of a circle reset as a whole, not just a selfish banter where people can reset all they want and to what’s trending. Like for example, singular circle resets, cooldowns on usage…

And then there’s the costs, will actually benefit IMC in the long run. Imagine small screw-ups from a few players could mean ten or twenty bucks for them in an instant. And when there are a lot of players out there, there WILL be a lot of screwups, and a lot of money to be gained.

Now how about you? All you want is that you don’t want people into copying your build. You don’t want people to play a mainstream build. You don’t want people going from one build to the next. Some of those issues you have can be easily fixed with a properly implemented circle reset system, where you can’t reset everything, or you can’t reset more than a couple of times, or you can reset just the small screw ups a person could make to put them on the right track again. Everything else you’ve stated is still just selfishness to the core.

And when F2P is up, everyone will be aware of how to build now because there are’s a large chunk of players actually giving a damn and relaying information from early access of what to expect and not expect in terms of builds; only a handful of beta players even decided to contribute information.

Meanwhile you are here arguing with someone in the forums about benefits for newer players, doing your very best to make sure that you are still among the top, and kicking down any person that’s racing to be better as if you’re thinking they can overtake you any time. It’s sad that you just want to feel so superior in a video game. I feel like you’re projecting something IRL through your attitude here, and it’s very alarming. Maybe you should seek help.

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#260

Notice how both quotes from me don’t even mention rerolling?

But here

My opening statement only included rerolling because it was part of the plan. So yes I did cite my experience.

Except you didn’t say that. You flat out declared that it is NOT for rerolling

I keep going back to this because that is 1 of the only things I’m arguing.

So let me clarify.

  1. Do you agree that the lodge xp system is for granting all characters more xp?
  2. Do you agree that getting more xp helps making characters?
  3. Do you agree that making characters includes rerolling?

That’s anecdotal. That’s not something you debate. Were you expecting me to say “they aren’t similar”. What’s there to debate in ToS having similar features to other games? I already said I only referenced RO with ratemyserver to to show ToS lack of information available (and that would be the extent of me going outside ToS).

I argued the semantics in my post because you accused me of saying the lodge xp system was for rerolling. Something I did not say. I opened with 3 things:

  1. I’m not against resets
  2. Resets conflict with something IMC already has in play
  3. I rerolled and it wasn’t that bad
#261

I hardly fall into despair, I dislike people who like to ASSume. Stop being delusional like I’m some gender warrior, geez. I just prefer it if people stop assuming >_>

and talk about Insecure, you’re the one who started bad mouthing me after trying to sound all proud and mighty of what you’ve achieved in game and realizing I’ve far more experience in game play than you :stuck_out_tongue:

There’s so many ways for IMC to earn money than just circle resets.

Clearly we’ll agree to never agree on this issue. Because you think that helping people stop being spoiled brats from committing petty or minor mistakes is selfish. Spoon-feeding at it’s best, and worse, you glorify it and make it sound like it’s justice. Hell no, you’re not helping those people at all.

I never said I didn’t want people to copy builds, but rather going for one immediately without having a thought of their own because “hey that’s the in thing right now” and A LOT of people have been there. causing diverse and unpopular builds to be unknown.

Its clear, everybody is just out there and there’s a lot of free flowing information, lots of people sharing builds and advises - there’s all that, so why be petty and commit mistakes when you can prepare properly and plan ahead instead of being a spoiled brat right?

Just as you say that everything else I state is selfish or w/e, the mere fact that you want this all for convenience (and saying that IMC will benefit it, eugh really? you have to pull that card?") but for the MERE CONVENIENCE, that is selfish in it’s way >_>

#262

Assuming people in online games are men is perfectly valid since the overwhelming majority of them are.

This thread is some hardcore cringe material, jesus.
No one is going to convince anyone else at this point. You’re butting heads for no reason. It’s arguing for the sake of arguing. Let it go.

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#263

I guess I’ll just have to start assuming that everybody is a male and dates fellow males too. :yum:

I already thought he let it go since I just wanted to correct him, apparently he loves to bring it up like a blunt weapon or something down his something. You know, just more nonsense material to throw against me. Since he’s best at that. >_>

#264

I clarified that it wasn’t my intention, I worded it differently. And I do suppose it does look like I’m declaring something, and by all means you are free to oppose it. However, I can clearly discern that you are also declaring something, and I won’t quote it again because it’s just exhausting.

I can’t resist but say arguing about this is just a big waste of time and it’s horribly weird that someone like you could be so obsessed on being corrected and trying to correct people on a communication level instead of the topics proposed. I don’t even know how our argument lead to this. I would prefer we argue about the contrary existence that you claim of lodge exp and circle reset itself.

I will stop not go on your posts one by one, you win here, there is simply no joy on arguing about this. It would be more fun to look at a plain wall or something.

And to note, I only started accusing you when you started accusing me. You have started it yourself, just look back on the post you’ve made. Like how you have stated your opinion about the matter, I have stated mine, and that’s all there is to it.

#265

i think having a circle reset would destroy this game in the long run, having to choose your own path is what makes this game good. If you get a circle reset that would just ruin the diversity this game offers

#266

Well what do you expect? Maybe you should’ve kept quiet about your gender anyways, because just as you can use it as a weapon I can use it myself to downplay you. I think it’s best we just ignore about the gender issue thing (but of course I’m sure you’ll bring it out again sooner or later) and just argue about the issue.

First off, did you really completely miss about what I said on controlled circle resets? Resets that don’t simply spoonfeed other people, or make sure that they cannot completely reset things and only partially reset classes that they wish to fix?

The spoiled brats you are talking about are living, breathing customers. Sure they are spoiled brats, they think they would be able to wave around their money and win the game. But no, controlled circle resets would help that they can’t do anything like switching complete builds into another just to fit the meta. There are plenty of ways to control it. You’re just being close-minded and think any form of reset is the devil itself.

You didn’t understand what I said about diverse builds. Without a form of circle reset, along with the harsh endgame content where unorthodox builds gets shafted on, the game would be killing class diversity. The point of diversity is to make sure all classes would be used and all classes would serve a purpose in the game. But that is clearly not the case. Since changing the game design completely to accommodate those unique builds is not as easy to do, it would be a far more better option to just give the option for people to switch builds on a whim. And again, if it is controlled perfectly, then it cannot be abused at all.

You are being too much of a perfectionist. Someone here even stated that there can be contradicting information at times that refer to some skill as being powerful to even useless. You think that this, a simple MMORPG, should be played like it’s some thesis paper where you have to completely research everything in order to make sure you don’t make a mistake. Not everything can be found with a google search, and not everyone knows WHAT to look for.

Do you really want people to simply research a build, find the “oh, best build ever for wizard, you must try this!!!” guide and just mimic each other in an endless array of the same cookie cutter builds? Nope. What you want is for people to experiment. But experimentation comes only after you’ve done it, and if it’s not something you enjoy then there is no coming back from it. And no, you cannot determine at early levels if a build will work or not work. At times it will take you at either rank 6 or rank 7 to realize the build just isn’t meshing as you hoped it would.

And yes, I am pulling THAT card. See, I’m sure any self respecting company would appreciate a suggestion that can benefit them. But what would they care about someone who just plays the game normally and thinking everything is fine the way it is? They won’t. That’s what feedback is for.