This thread probably won’t do anything. However, I felt inclined to post it anyway, just to see if there actually is anyone out there who is willing to listen to a point, actively think about it, then present a logical counter argument without resorting to derogatory name calling.
I do not think IMC is perfect and any decision that they make is pure gold. Rather, I believe that the decisions that they have made that I try to defend are legitimate good decisions that are beneficial for the game as a whole. Just because those decisions happen to be unpopular does not mean that I am defending IMC “just because”.
Term white knighting is correct though people are defending decisions that are having a largely negative effect on the community and game. Is there a more politically correct term you would prefer?
White knighting means exactly what you think it means. It is the fact that you refuse to even try to see that the decision was made for a reason that that is not the one that you think it was made for which is polluting the forums.
You believe the decision has a negative effect on the game. I believe it has a positive effect on the game. I have presented reasons as to why many times. Please read and either try to understand them, or if not then refute them with a suitable counter argument instead of resorting to name calling.
I really didn’t want to have to call anyone here stubborn, but you shall be the first one.
I mean, game is not like a country you can’t leave so easily. You don’t need a work visa, rent an apartment and find a job in a some other game ) You are just leaving it if it does not meet your tastes )
That’s why unpopular decisions doesn’t worth protecting, in my opinion. Obviously, consumers not always know what would be better for them and what do the actually need. But consumers are always know what they don’t like and what they will not pay for.
It is the changes that are not obvious that are the ones most commonly overlooked. The LACK of inflation is what you are looking for, and so far, I do not see any.
Sorry. It just triggered me a little when I saw you state like a fact that the decisions were negative, like you weren’t open to discussion whatsoever.
imc have made their decision. Consumers and the market will respond appropriately. Defending a decision on these forums is pointless because
people have said this is still beta so then complaints and feedback should be posted here.
Posting about how imc made the ‘right’ decision in your mind does not change the 60% steam rating the game currently has.
If a game has such a large proportion of players who do not recommend it, in what world is it reasonable to blame those customers? They had expectations about the product and those expectations were not met. Saying those 40% are wrong does not change the reality that a disturbing number of mmo players dislikes imc or the current game.
Well, dude, if you have to strain all your analytical abilities and involve a lot of imagination in that process to find something good. And if you can find bad things even with your eyes closed. Well, I think there is something wrong after all )
Hmmm, fair point. To me though the reasons IMC presented (which were very similar to what I first thought were their reasons) were legitimate reasons worth thinking about before complaining, yet many people ignored them. I felt this was unfair and attempted to point them out.
No, indeed it doesn’t. It also doesn’t change how on launch day many of those negative ratings were purely server stability complaints. Not saying that’s a bad thing though, just that I’m not particularly concerned with Steam Ratings.
You’re right, I should stop blaming people for having expected something different. That being said, I still want to explain to those who were misled the purpose of these decisions in the hopes that maybe they can come to understand them and resume having fun in this game.
Well, you can make a really bad decisions even with the best intentions.
So, the dudes had a good point - need to fight RMT. But they’ve come to the worst solution ever. That’s not making them bad. That’s just making people not to buy their product.
But I want people to buy their product, that’s why finding a better solution is my best interest. That’s all.
You know, some people are whining not just because they like to whine. Some people are whining because they found something interesting in this game, but can’t play it because something else is really bad. I mean, people are suggesting solutions that will make them buy the game.
Do you see your efforts to defend imc working in terms of that steam score?
I can tell you straight up that you are nowhere near the first person to defend an imc decision and you will certainly not be the last. Given so many people defending various imc decisions, why wouldn’t the reviews be higher?
This tells me that defending imc decisions is not an effective strategy to get people to like the game. So why continue to use ineffective strategies?
Really? It sure Sounds like you’re defending IMC just because. Here’s some tidbits from your post history.
“I don’t like thing but I’ll just accept it and defend it.” That’s about as white knighty as it gets. If something happens in game thats a bummer then of course people will be unhappy. there’s no reason to defend that.
Okay, here’s something important. This is not a good stance for any business to have. It’s the cheapest form of defense for any bad business decision. When the majority of an audience doesn’t buy something because they don’t like it, then the host doesn’t generate enough income. It’s important to appeal to an audience when they’re not buying what you’re selling. Not disregard them.
Every F2P MMO has these circumstances. It’s not a get out of critisism free card. Do some research on path of exile. It’s from a developer smaller than IMC but they’ve gotten F2P better than any MMO i’ve seen before.
I’ll be straight with you. Looking through your posts to get these you’re not so bad. You’re open minded enough but I’m just going to suggest you avoid the following phrases/responses if you don’t want to be called a white knight.
“If you don’t like it don’t buy!”
“The developers need money, it’s a free MMO!”
“It’s still a beta/ Just released / it’ll be patched!”
The reason people will call you white knight for posts like those is they acknowledge that whatever they’re responding to is a problem, and provide only a generic fits-any-issue excuse as a defense. Which you have to admit is really flimsy.
I don’t think IMC is a bad company, specially because they actually are answering us really fast. Usually other companies would just ignore us, or take weeks or months to do so. Considering all this trading problem exploded just a week ago and they already made a announcement about it makes me really happy. BUT that also doesn’t mean is support their decisions, no i don’t. I could kill someone to save thousands, but i would still be a killer. You can have the best intention ever, but they haven’t made the best decisions. Yet, i hope.
I haven’t accused anyone of white knighting, yet, but so far based on what I’ve read in this forums, the reason why some are aptly “insulted” as such, is because they defend IMC without anything to support their argument. which would make you think, are they in any way affiliated with IMC to have first hand knowledge on how the company is handling the situation?
I’ve read in multiple occasions phrases like “they’re doing their best” which is subjective, and would definitely not help if one is trying to not sound biased.
IMO, if anyone doesn’t want to be accused of white knighting in this forums, present your argument objectively, call out any BS, and tea-baggery, idiots who just hate can be easily ignored, because at the end of the day if IMC is really doing their job well positive support from the players will upstage any troll who tries to ruin it for everyone. no need for anyone to defend them at all.
Nope me and players that have been around since the beginning have been complaining about this ■■■■ since the change was made. This problems has been known and bitched about / ignored by IMC for a long time.
I said the problem exploded, not existed. Its common sight seeing Korean players just accepting the problems and not complaining anymore about it in a couple days.
