class balance really should go in its own thread - I would prefer to keep the conversation focused on the fundamentals of the game and the faults of current pvp modes in general.
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There are 3 4 bugs related to Sniperās Serenity alone. Do you really wanna go there?
Armor break isnāt block pen.
Armor break is a debuff who ignores % of defense.
@STAFF_Yuri
I really like to organize things so letās organize this conversation.
Reading the texts I notice that there are problems in PVP that everyone wants to be solved with brevity and most of the problems already have suggestion of the community, they are:
1) Balancing between classes.
Sugestions: Normalizing attack and defense, at least on TBL.
Powercreep is insane on PVP.
2) TBL Rewards:
Sugestions: Rewards are meaningless. They do not drive people to play, and those who play quit very quickly, improve the reward with useful items in the PVP.
3) Few hours of action for players focused on PVP:
Sugestions: Make a PVP free zone 24/h open and a TBL queue that is always open too (but has no reward), like a āfriendly matchā
4) Lack of PVP content that values āāteamplay (Premade Queue)
Sugestions: Make a differentiated queue of TBL where premade groups can participate.
Remove block from con would be the easiest solution.
Gems/Skills and gear then are the only possibilitys to get Block.
Pelt/Hop/Murm builds should have the highest Blockrate anyway.
Maybe imc can ad a āBlockstateā to every shield ingame like def/mdef.
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I have no idea where you got Armor break from but thatās not whatās being talked about on that post.
Iāve never said it was overpowered, I said it is a good class and that I get killed by druids even without chortasmata. Please stop blowing things out of proportion. And also, play TBL with your druid and see how good it is.
But you donāt die to the Druid aspect of it!
Like I could make a Cataphract 3 Squire 1 Lancer 3 and go around destroying everyone effortlessly and then say āSquire is OP, I barely have to try to win the fights I takeā
However if Iām not winning because of Squire skills it doesnāt mean anything.
My build is Cleric 2 - Bokor 2 - Monk - Druid 3 - PD 2
Outside of gem feud, it is a decent build, that focuses on Druid being the star of the show, yea sure now that I have BDS and Pandemic Attribute, PD is a big part of it to, but mostly, this is a Druid build, you got Double Punch to replace auto attack and Monk CC to keep em on grass. Bokors Effigy sets up grass with Marionette and Froster Lord (less needed now that Thorns exist but still very good, especially considering the lag I experience casting any skill.)
But you put my decent build in Gem Feud, it does nothing. It could support others because Disenchant is a ridiculous skill. Ofc Iām not gonna do thatā¦ obviously. On itās own though, it does nothing. The only way this char gets a kill on anyone is Thorns - BDS - Disenchant - Hexing - Incinerate - Effigy spam.
1 of those moves is a Druid move, itās the CC that allows you to easily land the BS move that makes this work.
But if you wanna kill someone as Druid you need to be so much stronger than them that the Chortasmata poison does it on itās own.
Now outside of Gem Feud, Druid is a lot better sure, but everything it does is defensive with exception to Lycanthropy and Chortasmata/Carnivory
The grass doesnāt move, so unless CCed it doesnāt matter. Lycan does do a lot of damage and gets a lot of free block pen but it means sacrificing the defense of Transform, and itās easy enough to avoid everything but the 4th skill.
Iām not gonna play TBL because itās garbage unworthy of being called PvP. And the top 10 is still filled with PvE builds lol, as well as the occasional Revive/Disenchant caster.
But the thing I hate most about TBL is itās team PvP and you donāt even get to choose your team. Team PvP is already pretty bad (2v2s are fine if you choose partners because of how you can coordinate but beyond that yuck) but not being able to choose your allies means you lose rating because enemy gets 3 CON invested individuals and you get a 20k hp Mergen and a Swordsman who knocks people out of your ā ā ā ā .
Support builds especially ā ā ā ā me over, supports always benefit dumb people more than they do people who put real thought into their builds. You can get a Priest PD and all they have to do for a bad player is cast revive, aspersion, stone skin/capella and disenchant anyone you CC. And thatās good for those players, theyāre provided with all the defensiveness they werenāt smart enough to take on their own, and they easily 1 combo thanks to disenchant.
Give that to someone like me, Iām not dieing to anything that a priest can save me from because I already do what I can to survive, and I donāt need disenchant because Iām capable of playing around not 1 comboing someone. For most, if they get a support class, itās great because they get babied a bit, but for me, having a support on my team is the same as having a 2v3.
There are some things that even I benefit from, but not enough to justify having a disadvantage in numbers.
And numbers advantage is the lamest way to win/lose in PvP. I have no respect for those who āPvPā in numbers. Play honorably, win through skill, intelligence and hell even gear, anything is better than teaming up on others.
PvEārs : Well gosh, we could, we could you know likeā¦ Group Up! AND HIT IT TIL IT DIES!
Yeah we do? Telepath into grass? It happens all the time in TBL.
Letās see: PVP, PVP, PVP, Most definitely PVP, PVP, PVP, Super PVP, 2 PVP fun memes, and #10 is somewhat pve? Canāt tell his class since I never seen him.
Yeah, I donāt really see any PVE build there except 10 if I get a closer look. Whatās wrong with disenchant? Itās a counter to a bunch of builds that rely on a ton of buffs. Iād love to get rid of peopleās Gyvenimas buff. You need 10 points on it to make it effective, anyways. I do agree they should add party based TBL instead of random.
I guess youāre opposed to GvG in general. Are you also opposed to 15v15 GvG back in the old days? God, my teammate killed this person when itās supposed to be a 1v1! I donāt know why you have that way of thinking on a TEAM based game mode.
Play honorably and win through skill uh
*sweats nervously as I telepath people into my grass while having Blind Faith on*
Actually, Lycan provides better Defense and HP values than Transform Large + Insect by 10% and 25% respectively
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Hi #10 here. To clarify my build is cleric2-priest2-pard1-druid2-pd3 100 spr rest con and it is optimized towards mostly TBL (partially GvG). I wouldnāt really consider it a PvE build. . . but for like healers and stuff at the point of r10 cleric3 priest2 and some spr is all you really need to heal in most cases now so itās borderline? pve but all TBL clerics āshouldā run at least c2p2 so. . .
Iām mostly a harassment build (1 point on all damage skills besides chortasmata), okay damage until I land Disenchant.
lvl10 telepath because i have no room on my skill keys to cater to transform skills :). just a casual 20 secs of telepath totally not broken and annoying af.
I picked up TBL like this week. . . plan to mess around with it more.
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I had a different top 10 in my mind that had lasted many previous weeks but my point still actually stands because third place is a guy who is only focus on damage, and IIRC has less than 60k hp. You can call him PvP if you want but regardless of his intent, he has a PvE mindset, players like that, lose the minute they canāt one combo you.
Which is actually brings me to my next point Bhikku typically occupies the top slot, and while yes he does trans his armor, use a shield, and invest in CON showing that heās not incapable of understanding the value of durability in PvP. He still relies entirely on damage for everything, which is fine, he can play the game how he wants, but it doesnāt really make me want to compete. I donāt see Bhikku and think, āNow there is someone worth beatingā
Bhikku could actually be any player on his account, as long as they do just 1 thing the same, it doesnāt matter who it is, and that one thing is playing the game as if itās a tab target game, as long as you play the game like a tab target game youāre basically the same as Bhikku, the only difference is gear and maybe a slight bit of knowledge if you for some reason donāt know certain easy to learn things (like abuse against stealth and rotations)
Now thatās not me ā ā ā ā talking Bhikku, Iām sure heās very successful with what he does, itās just not what makes me wanna compete, itās the same as PvE to me, I donāt wanna compete against a mindless bot, Idc if they are hard to beat, if Iām not competing against a player that I view as competition then why bother.
@Wooshin Lycan doesnāt gain current hp, and with itās insanely low duration itās a bad idea to bother healing it, so unless you have like heal factor and a nearly off CD but currently active large insect transform going, you wonāt make use of the hp boost, you do get the defense yes, but I argue with how bad Lycan is, itās only worth 1 point due to it and IIRC you only gain 10% on the 1 point. So while yes technically at itās best Lycan provides durability, in a real scenario that one would be in comparing the two, Lycan is much less durable.
I understand the new attribute makes it a little better but I still donāt think itās a smart idea to invest into it, especially with a PvP build
lol no not true t all i play this game only for pvp and at about 80k health
bhikku is my mom
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i think yr talking abit too much. about stuff u obviously dont know much about
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Are you not the same Linker from Gem Feud who takes 2 ticks from Smash Bullet?
yea sure im not entirely full con and squishy but i get mvp almost every match win or lose and im consistabtly high on tbl wen i play that week. back off te pvp threads you dont even do it
This is exactly what I meant, that PvE mindset, of āI do DPSā DPS is the least important thing in PvP. There is a minimum amount of damage that you need which varies based on un-avoidable damage and the targets healing (So itās actually an always changing number) but once you have it, itās not important anymore what matters is your durability, and your outplay-ability. Youāre not that invested in durability, your utility is mediocre, everything you have is geared towards damage, you treat the enemy like an NPC and as soon as they find way to get out of it, itās hopeless for you.
Itās not just you though, this is how a large portion of the community in ToS thinks. Itās fine, like I said play as you like, but I donāt define players like that as PvPers, yes you PvP and by literal definition, one who is PvPing is a PvPer. However your mindset is no different from any of the PvEārs and I would view one with a superior mindset as a superior player, regardless of result. Idc if your gear or class is good, I wanna compete against good players.
Which is actually why I was so mad at Randy when he KSed me, that fight was really fun because the player didnāt one shot so he was forced to try more and a few times in gem feud Iāve gotten some really nice fights with players like that and itās far more satisfying than firing off a Smash Bullet at a geared PvE type and then watching them die to it. (Unless the player is SugarLips, I guess thatās pretty fun just because heās the one the mobs of players all swarm around for the āGroup PvPā so itās like, āHa now what will you sheep do!ā , but that only happened once) In general the best fights are the ones where the opponent is forced to try and by extension forcing me to try in order to win.
And I will define you as a pvper when you play TBL :3
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Lol, this is funny.
Wants to find good opponents to go up against
Mad that Iām killing people in a team-based pvp environment
Multiple people see you KS other people
I see you killing people during a raise
Also see you killing weak players by scouting them with cloak and then smash bulleto on them
gets mad at me when I kill your weak opponents
Complains about some druid bug so plays on a
non geared PVE BM with no block pen
Iām sorry, but I have NOT seen anyone get mad in a PVP environment because they see someone having a fight and they get shrekt in a 1v2. Iām glad they have multi combat, I donāt wanna be a full support just being a retard magnet the whole game.
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I donāt KS others intentionally but I had had a few instances of not realizing a fight is happening due to the original fighter being too far away so Iām not perfect, Iām so sorry to all Iāve KSed.
I donāt kill people during raise, except Ennislol or whatever but Iām just tired of that guy interfering in my fights, he doesnāt deserve the courtesy he wonāt extend to me.
I do kill weak players, people feed you when youāre not even trying sometimes, the only way I can compete for the 750 in a losing game is to target the twohand users who canāt block me.
I have block pen, just not enough.