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Would I be losing too much making a Fletcher without DEX?

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#1

Hello guys, the title basically is what I wanted to discuss. I’m gonna try to elaborate a little bit more.

  • Being mostly focused on STR (forget about CON/SPR), how much I’d be losing in terms of overall dps scaling in COMPARISION to a build focused on DEX?
    I mean most builds are usually a mix, probably the double amount of DEX for each STR, yes, it makes sense. But I wanted to make something a little bit different, I wanna invest a few points on SPR because I wanna spam endlessly (pots included), my damage will come from a massive uptime and rotation of skills and also using lots those 0 cd auto attack modifiers.
    Basically I wanna make something closer to infinite-spam, maybe lower damage but much more CONSTANT damage, but I don’t know if that’s really worth it to consider if the dps loss is massively huge, that’s why I’m wondering.
    It’s not a ton of SPR, just a portion, like 50~60 (not sure), will include CON obviously, for that I think DEX isn’t that good.
    I kinda see DEX being wasted potential on Ranger path, I think Archer 2/Sapper2, or maybe Archer3/Scout1 is much more interesting for DEX builds, lots of evasion, lots of crit and focus on Fletcher. I don’t think Archer 2 / Ranger 2 is good either, Ranger is either none or 3. Sapper is either lv 2 or none.

  • ARCHER > ARCHER > SAPPER > SAPPER > FLETCHER

  • ARCHER > RANGER > RANGER > RANGER > FLETCHER

  • ARCHER > ARCHER > ARCHER > SCOUT > FLETCHER

If there’s no conclusion I could fall for the standard Ranger 3 Fletcher, oriented on DEX. I’d be losing lots of massive effects from DEX, such as evasion and crit chance that Archer brings to the table, but it’ll be good enough just to make sure I can crit Fletcher’s abilities. If STR can be solid enough not being massively overshadowed by DEX I wanna consider, fully sustain oriented spam, the farming god. (no evasion, possibly heavy/cloth armor).

:smile_cat: thanks

#2

Isn’t Fletcher the class that’s bugged right now? Where every skill you use stuns your character. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but if it is, I would abstain from using that class for now.

#3

Huummm I didn’t hear anything about it, if that’s true I can still play on my Wugushi, but eventually I wanna play Fletcher too! :c

#4

Think this is the post. Umm I don’t think it’s been resolved? Some guy on the last reply a day ago said it’s working fine for him now. Guess we’ll wait for someone to reply about it here.

#5

Nope my character is not stun!:joy:
Just…standing still pulling arrowless bow when server lag.
When LAG only :persevere:
When server recover, every effect and damage will sum up in 1 frame.
Then everything back to normal. :blush:

#6
#7

I dont think 60 spt Will make any diference at skill spam, rly. You will be able to use 3 more skills in the first rotation and then you will need pots like everybody else.

About Fletcher skills… Working fine here.

#8

Easy fix for fletcher “stun” just press enter; something about chat box unlocks your character.
There are just too many idiots that don’t try everything and basically monkey smash their hands on things hoping it works.

#9

I feel a massive difference with 10 points on SPR, not fletcher though, previous characters I’ve made. But I always leave at 10 points depending on the class, the SP pool isn’t that great, but the regen feels really good, I don’t really put too much because there are equips to give more SPR. I think I’ve probably made my decision, my question is too hard, I wanted to know mostly how much dps is wasted without any points on DEX, I think Fletchers kinda needs it mandatory because of their high flat damage. Well, I’ll see.

#10

3 skills costs about 780 SP? That is crazy.:scream:

#11

With Virtov leather gloves and boots, two sissel bracelets, a max pentamion, two level 5 green gems, and Archer C2…

DEX is favored… roughly 1:2 ratio STR:DEX
(and I mean the amount of stat points put in. A 1:2 ratio on your stat UI would look something like 220 STR and 240 DEX at max level)

Same result without Archer C2, but pure STR is better than pure DEX in this case

Same result with two lvl 7 green gems

However the damage difference is a small 100~200 damage per hit.


For Min:Max

-Add Viper bow = you want less DEX. like around 100
-Add Maga bow = It doesn’t change
-Add Khasti bow = no change
-Add any xbow combo = less DEX, like around 100
-Add Marksman bow = same as Viper and xbows
-Add Lolopanther weap = same as Marksman

If using Lolopanther set, two lvl 7 green gems, two sissel bracelets.

-Marksman = very little DEX like less than 50
-Everything else = the amount of DEX that brings your crit rate to 100%


TL:DR Yes, DEX is better but not by much. You will lose very little damage going pure STR compared to a mixture of STR:DEX however you will have better burst if you go pure STR.

You lose roughly 2~5% damage in overall dps for going pure STR, but gain roughly 4~7% damage on the occasional crits (overall dps is still the same).

You also won’t see DEX being better until you are in late game (level 220+ with good gear).

Of course, adding in CON/SPR will change things a bit, but not by much.

A2 > R3 for iToS.

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#12

The A2 dilema is killing me. 25% crit rate bonus is a big thing to consider, but I guess not that big thing if you’re not DEX oriented.
Would a Ranger/Fletcher be good with a full DEX build? Basically no STR, relying 100% on base damage (it would be pure 50%+ with solid crits, no flat crit damage), that compensates the fact you’re not A2+.
Orrrr… maybe more damage and more crit damage (more STR), going for A2/Sapper2 path, but the skill rotation would feel messy. I mean, I’d have a lot of unused skills, therefore, the skill points would have much more meaning on a solid rotation of skills. I’ve had character before with unused points, it feels really lackluster.
Your answer is really clarifying, thanks for that. I was almost decided to go full DEX Ranger 3(+CON. Portion of SPR yet to consider).
Any thoughts? Cause if A2+ is really that important, I could choose between A3-Scout, A2-Sapper. Scout route being the favorite, while Sapper adds a lot of skills that I don’t think I could handle to be using, wasting uptime of something else stronger such as Fletcher’s abilities, which basically have no cooldown.

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#13

A2 is really only if you want to see more crits. Even with the bonus crit rate, your overall dps increase is less than 5% for our current ToS.

It may increase a bit at later levels, or it might not because the critical chance formula tells us that each critical rate diminishes in value as we go higher in levels

I wouldn’t recommend A3 because the only real reason to go A3 is for kneeling shot 10 and multishot 15 which… A Fletcher probably won’t use very often.

If you would like to mess around with numbers yourself, please use this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nL5lDD2gm0ALfE9LIyFDpvpxp22m_7hXgmyWnC7PdYw/edit#gid=1601998207

Make sure you download that and rename it.

#14

Oh yea, I have one A3 because I made Wugushi. Maxed Swift Step/Multi-Shot/Kneeling Shot. I love the Archer route.
Although Fletcher I got to the same conclusion as yours, I don’t think Archer adds anything valuable towards the Fletcher’s kit besides the crit bonus, that would really depend on subjective goals.
Anyway, your answer was relly helpful. I think I’ll follow the standard concept, I think I’ve managed to adapt what I needed without hurting the overall performance.

#15

Good luck with your future goals.

#16

It’s after every skill though.