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World bosses controlled by 20-30 players + suggestions how to fix it

Greedy campers restricts the other players from a chance to get a box already.

Feel free to do so, I donā€™t really care. People accusing others of something as aggravating as breaking the ToS make me wanna puke. Accusations are made with actual facts. Spouting any bullshit reasoning that people have just because others play better the game or just know what to do to work the market is not worth my politeness.

Well about false accusings u may be right ā€¦
but i think ur totally wrong about the use of a topic to try to make the game better ā€¦
I got all my gear i wanted (besides zaima ā€¦ still no clue=) xD ā€¦ and it was not that difficult.
still its gotten pretty boring right now and i m asking myself why ā€¦
There are issues in the market ā€¦ and this game should give more people rewards for attending bosses.
Or They should make them really a Challange , Or they should reduce them to rdm spawn solo kills.
No one has actually fun on make a damage meter race at 3fps.
And i m not hating the ones who use the game mechanic ā€¦ i hate more the developers that they donā€™t get it and make a change :stuck_out_tongue:

Not saying itā€™s legitimate evidence but this is not the first time Iā€™ve heard these accusations. There were quite a few people claiming it was happening to them in shout chat. Whether itā€™s really happening or not, or whether itā€™s Jace doing it or not, is obviously up for speculation, I donā€™t see how they could possibly prove whoā€™s doing it (if itā€™s not all made up).

I honestly do not care what you thinkā€¦ soā€¦ yeahā€¦

I did no world bosses and my group was the first one to actually clear earth tower floor 5, they are just too focused on the scope that people make more money than them itā€™s ridiculous. Whoever tells them that the only way to have money is world bosses is biased and has no clue about the game. Is it a good income of money? yes, it is. Should it be change because the current system favors first come first serve? yes, it should. Should we assume that those people are gold sellers because they decided to make their first character a world boss hunter and no life with it? No, we shouldnā€™t. The game is full of flaws, economy wise itā€™s just terrible.

And yes, optimization should be top priority. If anything, IMC is to blame, not Jace, nor any of the other players that hunt cubes like madmans. If any of you would see our guild chat you would see Jace timing EVERYTHING out, not to mention a world boss spreadsheet (that every world boss hunter has).

So please, if you are gonna talk, have facts, this is annoying as hell, itā€™s been a week already.

@Slygoat So a lot of people accused IMC of swallowing their money the first week of the game and now everyone seems to have forgotten about it. Not the same comparison but still, people can say whatever they want, that doesnā€™t make it true in the slightest. I got called a bot because I played like 18 hours for one day. You gotta understand that people jump to the easiest conclusion out of spite or envy or whatever it is just because.
As I said before, if someone can actually PROVE that either Jace or any of the world boss hunters sell gold, Iā€™d be amazed and Iā€™d probably carve a ā€œholy ā– ā– ā– ā– ā€ on my right butt cheek. So please, anyone, amaze me.

Iā€™m not really talking about the tying world boss hunters to gold sellers thing, but the idea that someone is using bots to effectively (because of how badly this game handles networking) DDoS people with spam during world boss fights. I would seriously not be the least bit surprised, considering in beta a few well known groups were exploiting a channel crash bug to reset world boss timers and control the spawns.

Of course the fact that itā€™s even feasible that you can break someoneā€™s game just by spamming them enough is absurd and IMC should be ashamed of their netcode.

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Well i never heard of it and i donā€™t care that much but if some people get so much spammed that they dc.
While bossfighting there should be traces IMC can follow ā€¦
But well i see maybe 2 whisps in town or something ā€¦ donā€™t know which scale this needs to aktually dc from it ā€¦

mfg
Majin

Of course there should be. If thatā€™s an actual thing, like I said before, I urge people to either post proof about it if they were affected. I really canā€™t vouch for that because I havenā€™t been at world bosses, I can only vouch for the amount of time they spend hunting.

Now if EITHER of the people doing world bosses are doing this to have easier Wbs they should be banned without a single thought, either a friend of mine, a guildie, a random guy that I met, anyone. Things like this are beyond disgusting.

That being said, if this is blatant bullshit to justify themselves for being terrible at WBs, then kindly take your leave out of wbs, and just go farm wizard bracelets or something.

@Slygoat same post for you, but I wanted to point out that if something as sad as this can crash someoneā€™s game, Iā€™m really not looking forward to free to play. Also, a ā€œDo not disturbā€ function would be incredibly helpful in this game. Or, you know, a proper whisper interface.

I think people are severely overestimating how important they are in that they think theyā€™re worth DDoSing over cubes. There are far less demanding ways of boxing people out of it like having a good party set up, one specifically geared towards getting cubes.

Its more than likely that theyā€™re nowhere that big of a threat to even warrant such measures. If coming up with absurd and outlandish conspiracy theories helps them cope with other people doing better than them then have at it.

Dude, Jace is just a no-life kid, do you know that he doesnā€™t open the cubes just so he can take screenshots and make videos with hundreds of cubes in the bag, if he did in fact farm wb to sell the loot for RMT, he would need to open the cubes first, am i right ?

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If you were wbossing, which youā€™re arenā€™t, you would know that there is no such thing as being ā€œhorrible at wbossā€.
Thatā€™s far simpler. Youā€™re either top5 DPS or youā€™re not.
Even, Iā€™m not sure you could call the 6th to 10th top DPS horrible wboss huntersā€¦

Iā€™m sorry, but it is, reading between the lines doesnā€™t change the fact that if you decided to pick an awful class for world bosses, the ones people here are calling gold sellers or whatever, are the ones who will actually beat them and the ones who put time into their characters for that very reason. Some of those characters are worthless when it comes to soloing or any endgame scenario. You would realize that most people wait for some cds of other people to go out, link their abilities with other players in their party, Iā€™m sorry but that fact alone beats the ā€œIMMA SMASH MY KEYBOARD AND GET CUBEā€ which Iā€™m 100% sure most people here are complaining about. Just get good, my lord, Iā€™ve seen support clerics getting cubes solo on dullahan.

PS: I havenā€™t hunt world bosses because one of the biggest issues, that it seems that most people donā€™t really care about, optimization, wonā€™t let me. I guess QQing at the forums because XX fletcher 1991 got a cube itā€™s more productive.

Played GW2 and the way they handled high level players farming low level bosses (even entire fields in general) is to level them down to the highest level appropriate for the map. They still factor your gear in so you still effectively hit harder than (say you were leveled down from 280 to 150 something) an average level 150 player.

ToS doesnā€™t need to be GW2 but it can learn a few things from it. The game can keep its current system of having only the top rewarded but this will effectively give those not-max-level players a shot at competition. People can farm those bosses for days on end but that should not prevent others from effectively experiencing the entire game.

just an fyi. i dont do world bosses. i run around looking for quests and exploring maps for exp cards. thats the extent of my gaming besides using up dungeons.

i simply spoke to a few people who alerted me of this crap, and they admitted to buying silver/gear and that the people who sold them the gear were in fact ā€œreal players.ā€

thereā€™s forum posts here where people admit to having previously sold gold through websites and you can make tons and tons of money doing it the first few months of a new mmo. some mmos still have enough playerbase to let you keep running a service on those games.

these people understand that a huge chunk of the gold fed to silver buyers comes from real players looking to make money while playing games. otherwise theyā€™d have to get real jobs.

thereā€™s articles of player interviews where they admit to making 5k-10k off of items that took them 2-3 weeks to farm.

this guy with his anime icon needs to stop being a massive hypocrite. iā€™ve done two bosses and thatā€™s because they spawned where i was leveling.

All I see is text and histories about players who you have talked to, I really see no proof whatsoever. Hypocrite? for what? for wanting evidence to support your shitty asumptions? My gear is trash as ā– ā– ā– ā– , I have a crafted rod that anyone can craft in the game, an untradable necklace that I had to farm for more than 12 hours with a lot of buying and talking to players to get them off, AN ARDE DAGGER AT LEVEL 280. A 220 white armor, 220 white pants, 220 gloves, and roxona plate boots. My biggest luxury are 2 wizard bracelets. I assume you are calling me a hypocrite because I, according to you, bought gold, otherwise, I donā€™t see the hypocrisy. If I failed to understand your concept of hypocrite, please, point it out.

If you are gonna call someone out, at least have some evidence, I can also randomly say I talked to an iMC employee that guaranteed that those players arenā€™t gold sellers, yet that doesnā€™t make it right. Have a clue before spouting bullshit. And of course gold sellers are actual players, who the hell do you think itā€™s going to sell it to you? an automated bot? that doesnā€™t mean that the gold sellers that sold them gear are the ones hunting the world bosses.

The amount of bullshit that you can spit out itā€™s just unbelievable at this point, whenever you have a solid argument of actual proof of it instead of a few nonames, quote me, Iā€™d be glad to admit my mistake that every world bosser in this game is a gold seller. Otherwise, please shut the ā– ā– ā– ā–  up.

for crying about my accusations repeatedly when youā€™re accusing me of being a ā€œfail wber who canā€™t do dmg crying about fletchers.ā€

Accusations are made with actual facts.
(remember that one, dumbass?)

and lol your opinions are totally biased and invalid because youā€™re in his guild. white knight 9999999.

goodnight you yaoi (or whatever the word is for gay anime porn) watching rainbow knight.

So you are basing your whole argument on something you no evidence for AND have no experience with? Ironic becauseā€¦

Here are some actual numbers for you. Jace has opened 200 Dullahan cubes and only received 3 Karacha Daggers (the item people hope for, worth 3-4m). One of these daggers he just received today and he has not opened any of his other WB cubes. You donā€™t control a market with 3 daggers.

I understand the frustration towards this situation, feeling as though not everyone has a chance at a cube. Personally I feel as though those who have more impact should receive better rewards (so maybe have tiered rewards?). Nevertheless, I feel like it is a bit silly to take your anger out on players who are only making the most of a system that they had no part in designing. How about we direct this energy towards trying to have a constructive discussion with IMC about the issue.

Getting a reward for hitting a boss once isnā€™t exactly a good idea with lazy players in a Korean grindfest game.

Maybe if they give better or MORE rewards for doing more damage or supporting more people (damage vs. healing/support), it would make sense. Simply getting a cube for doing 1 damage and AFKā€™ing for the rest of the boss fight isnā€™t and shouldnā€™t be a feature in a game that rewards thoroughness and constant grinding though.